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Flex's Takes: The Beach Boys
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Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.
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As an example for me, there are several Wire records that are just lousy to me. I've tried to find something decent in them, but nope. Good artist makes bad album and I can't be bothered to find little bits that are okay. I can accept criticism that I'm being too narrow or absolute, but it feels like the CtC slippery slope where people convince themselves that it could be a good record.Flex wrote: ↑27 Jan 2023, 1:16pmI think there's a big difference between creative people (or at least people whose creativity you vibe with) making bad music and bland morons making bad music. I'll spend time finding interesting stuff in a bad beach boys period because there's stuff to find, but I don't think there's anything of creative value in a Nickelback album (for example). It's why there's stuff to sift through and enjoy even in low periods of the clash/Joe strummer/mick Jones' creativity, at least to me.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑27 Jan 2023, 1:09pmI can never do that, even with artists I love. Shit is shit and I have a hard time rationalizing it.WestwayKid wrote: ↑27 Jan 2023, 1:04pmMy philosophy for their worst periods is "hey, but it's still the Beach Boys" and that allows me to at least find something decent.
I'd also make a distinction, not that you're suggesting otherwise but just for the record, between appreciating the good within the bad and pretending the bad is actually good. It's the difference between finding something of value in cut the crap and actually thinking it's a good record.
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There's some pretty shit stuff that Bob Dylan has put out that I find basically irredeemable (and, as has been getting cataloged here, some real shit beach boys stuff too) so I think there's limits to the reclamation process. But, yeah, I guess I just like being able to find things to enjoy from even the kinda crappy stuff the artists I most love and have affection for put out. I don't bother doing this with most artists, mind.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑27 Jan 2023, 1:27pmAs an example for me, there are several Wire records that are just lousy to me. I've tried to find something decent in them, but nope. Good artist makes bad album and I can't be bothered to find little bits that are okay. I can accept criticism that I'm being too narrow or absolute, but it feels like the CtC slippery slope where people convince themselves that it could be a good record.Flex wrote: ↑27 Jan 2023, 1:16pmI think there's a big difference between creative people (or at least people whose creativity you vibe with) making bad music and bland morons making bad music. I'll spend time finding interesting stuff in a bad beach boys period because there's stuff to find, but I don't think there's anything of creative value in a Nickelback album (for example). It's why there's stuff to sift through and enjoy even in low periods of the clash/Joe strummer/mick Jones' creativity, at least to me.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑27 Jan 2023, 1:09pmI can never do that, even with artists I love. Shit is shit and I have a hard time rationalizing it.WestwayKid wrote: ↑27 Jan 2023, 1:04pmMy philosophy for their worst periods is "hey, but it's still the Beach Boys" and that allows me to at least find something decent.
I'd also make a distinction, not that you're suggesting otherwise but just for the record, between appreciating the good within the bad and pretending the bad is actually good. It's the difference between finding something of value in cut the crap and actually thinking it's a good record.
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Even with their worst releases (Keepin' the Summer Alive comes to mind) I can find something of value.Flex wrote: ↑27 Jan 2023, 1:16pmI think there's a big difference between creative people (or at least people whose creativity you vibe with) making bad music and bland morons making bad music. I'll spend time finding interesting stuff in a bad beach boys period because there's stuff to find, but I don't think there's anything of creative value in a Nickelback album (for example). It's why there's stuff to sift through and enjoy even in low periods of the clash/Joe strummer/mick Jones' creativity, at least to me.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑27 Jan 2023, 1:09pmI can never do that, even with artists I love. Shit is shit and I have a hard time rationalizing it.WestwayKid wrote: ↑27 Jan 2023, 1:04pmMy philosophy for their worst periods is "hey, but it's still the Beach Boys" and that allows me to at least find something decent.
I'd also make a distinction, not that you're suggesting otherwise but just for the record, between appreciating the good within the bad and pretending the bad is actually good. It's the difference between finding something of value in cut the crap and actually thinking it's a good record.
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How much of a completist are y'all?
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I've heard it, it's fine. Easy listening muzak, basically.
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Better or worse than "Kokomo"?
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Pure schmaltz. Capitol let him do it so he'd quit bothering them about Beach Boys stuff.
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But the cover has hot sexy 60s babes on it. And it has the word "moods" in it. The cover just oozes sex. Except for the inclusion of "Murry Wilson."
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.
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I find that sort of music kinda funny. Just totally white and sexless. A weird artifact from a different time.
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Speaking of Murry, there is this lost classic - cowritten by Brian and his dad and recorded early on during the Sunflower sessions.
Murry's is credited using the pseudonym Reggie Dunbar. Not sure why.
It's a catchy song, but only hit #63 when released as a single in 1969. It was also their final Capitol single until 1986.
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Went to #6 in the UK. I had never heard of this song until I read about it in the Carl bio. I think it's alright/pretty good. Not really a lost gem for me.WestwayKid wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 2:14pm
Speaking of Murry, there is this lost classic - cowritten by Brian and his dad and recorded early on during the Sunflower sessions.
Murry's is credited using the pseudonym Reggie Dunbar. Not sure why.
It's a catchy song, but only hit #63 when released as a single in 1969. It was also their final Capitol single until 1986.
Also from the comp, I dig this alt version of Big Sur -
I very much prefer it to the awkward 3/4 rhythm on Holland.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.
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Agree on Big Sur. It's a nice example of Mike doing something decent.matedog wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 2:39pmWent to #6 in the UK. I had never heard of this song until I read about it in the Carl bio. I think it's alright/pretty good. Not really a lost gem for me.WestwayKid wrote: ↑31 Jan 2023, 2:14pm
Speaking of Murry, there is this lost classic - cowritten by Brian and his dad and recorded early on during the Sunflower sessions.
Murry's is credited using the pseudonym Reggie Dunbar. Not sure why.
It's a catchy song, but only hit #63 when released as a single in 1969. It was also their final Capitol single until 1986.
Also from the comp, I dig this alt version of Big Sur -
I very much prefer it to the awkward 3/4 rhythm on Holland.
"They don't think it be like it is, but it do." - Oscar Gamble