I agree about your political correctness statement. It takes way more than giving someone the tools and insight to deal with subjects. It's about the situations they may find themselves in also. The idea of simply being correct doesn't sit well with me. As I think it's essential to understand the cause and processes that made someone hateful or racist in the first place. Punk attempted to address these subjects by offering opinions and discussion. Don't simply hate the racist find out why they're racist and see if you can change their mind and heart.
"Political correctness" means a lot of things to a lot of people. How do you understand it in this context? I'm genuinely curious because your post is clearly thoughtful, but I usually hear "political correctness is bad" from people who complain about not being able to make racist jokes and that sort of stuff.
Being politically aware of those who surround you and those people you choose to mix with and being politically correct can be very different things.
Example you're on a public vehicle (train) and a group of skinheads get on and start being racist to a black person sat opposite you. You know this isn't right and others sat around you know this isn't right. What do you do? Ignore them and hope this abhorrent treatment stops. Or do you confront them and risk getting a beating knowing you have to go home to your wife and kids.
The next day you're on the same train journey a skinhead gets on the train alone. A group of black guys get on the train and start harassing the skinhead. What do you do? Do you naturally assume because the guys a skinhead that he must be a racist therefore deserves what's happening. Or do you dare stand up and try to reason with the black guys and risk getting labelled a racist along with the skinhead?
Maybe your best course of action is to sit there and do nothing even though you know in both situations neither is politically correct. Me personally in the first case I end up taking a beating and in the second case I end up being classed by ignorance a racist.
I'll always do my level best to fight the ignorance and hatred even though I realise that my understanding of being politically correct is to my detriment.
Interesting, that's not how I define "political correctness" in either example. Typically, I understand it as something that was okay to say/do, but is no longer because we realize the language or actions are not sufficiently inclusive. For example, in my job in construction, we would refer to a regular door as "man door" as opposed to a roll up door or elevator door or whatever. Someone could say that's not PC and that we should use the term "person door." That's how I'm used to the term "political correctness" being applied.
For your example, that just seems like open harassment with racist implications or explications. I'm trying to wrap my head around an example that explicit and need some time to work through the example.
Correctness as censorship and a curtailment of freedom of speech sure okay.
I'm talking about the idea that using any language to cause deliberate harm to others and simply being hateful/racist/spiteful etc. is not correct.
So many people use this term "woke" and wear it like this years t-shirt. But it's something that means more than "oh you can't say that these days". It's a constant fight to make sure you're not being an asshole and treat others with respect at all times.
Forces have been looting
My humanity
Curfews have been curbing
The end of liberty
We're the flowers in the dustbin...
No fuchsias for you.
I'd love to see the vapors headline a small club or something.
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a bowl of soup
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a rolling hoop
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a ton of lead
Wiggle - you can raise the dead
I'm jealous! A very underrated band, imho. Much better than their one hit single would suggest (not that it was bad).
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a bowl of soup
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a rolling hoop
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a ton of lead
Wiggle - you can raise the dead
not as good as the first one, but I guess some people miss me in LA. (neices, drug dealers, etc)
Are some of those contemporary bands? Bunch of names that ring no bells.
I know Molchat Doma and Ela Minus are. Aside from that I'm also lost.
I like Molchat Doma, though I only know them from one song. Belarusian band, right? Pretty dark stuff. Makes me want to close the blinds and not leave my house for 6 months, so it's right up my alley.
The chair is against the wall. The chair is against the wall. John has a long mustache. John has a long mustache.
Steve Ignorant playing Crass songs half hour down the road on my birthday.
Gotta do it! Steve seems like he's aged most gracefully and with both humor and a bit of humility out of (most) of the rest of the band.
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a bowl of soup
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a rolling hoop
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a ton of lead
Wiggle - you can raise the dead
Steve Ignorant playing Crass songs half hour down the road on my birthday.
Gotta do it! Steve seems like he's aged most gracefully and with both humor and a bit of humility out of (most) of the rest of the band.
Really pleased! Between the Crystal Palace gig with Iggy and Generation Sex and Blondie, and our mate Kit taking me to see Bruce Springsteen, it's a good bucket list kind of year. Might see Henry Rollins do his yakety-yak-yak thing in April, too, budget allowing.
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a lifetime serving one machine
Is ten times worse than prison
