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Kory wrote:
24 Sep 2019, 7:03pm
Heston wrote:
24 Sep 2019, 7:00pm
Kory wrote:
24 Sep 2019, 6:46pm
This is one pocket of music history that I know VERY little about.
Try some of the recommended albums. Village Green is the king of them all.
I know I've listened to Arthur before, I thought that was pretty good.
I didn't like Village Green much when I first heard it but it kind of crept up on me very quickly, and it's definitely in my top 10 albums of all time now. Conceptually and musically perfect. The "Echoes of a World" documentary from a year or two back is well worth checking out for the back story.
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Heston wrote:
24 Sep 2019, 6:45pm
WestwayKid wrote:
24 Sep 2019, 3:35pm
Heston wrote:
23 Sep 2019, 2:25pm
Marky Dread wrote:
23 Sep 2019, 1:31pm
01. The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society - The Kinks
02. The Who Sell Out - The Who
03. Small Faces (Immeadiate Album) - Small Faces
04. Arthur (Or the Decline and Fall of the British Empire) - The Kinks

05. My Generation - The Who
06. We Are Paintermen - The Creation
07. Aftermath - The Rolling Stones
08. Piper at the Gates of Dawn - Pink Floyd
09. Ogdens Nut Gone Flake - Small Faces
10. S.F. Sorrow - The Pretty Thing
I agree with the 5 highlighted. I would add Tommy and A Quick One by the Who, Let It Bleed by the Stones, Move by the Move, and Something Else by the Kinks. Loads of other great singles bands from the 60s but the albums were often patchy rush jobs.
I had a tough time only picking 2 albums by the Kinks. Arthur didn't make the cut - but if not for my only 2 per band rule it would have made my list.
Oh, I missed the bit about the 2 per band rule. I'll replace A Quick One and Something Else by the Kinks with 2 Equals albums, "Sensational" and "Strikes Again".
Yeah all The Equals 60s albums are ace.
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Kory wrote:
24 Sep 2019, 7:03pm
Heston wrote:
24 Sep 2019, 7:00pm
Kory wrote:
24 Sep 2019, 6:46pm
This is one pocket of music history that I know VERY little about.
Try some of the recommended albums. Village Green is the king of them all.
I know I've listened to Arthur before, I thought that was pretty good.
Yup - start with Village Green. The Kinks had a really great run in the late 60's: Something Else, Village Green, Arthur, Lola Vs. Powerman. It's an era of music that has always fascinated me because I've never been big into many of the "big" American 60's bands like the Doors and so on. A lot of these records remain very much under the radar in the US. I know I didn't hear many of them until I was in my mid-20's (if not older). Tons of great stuff to listen to and discover. I had not listened to "We Are Paintermen" until I saw it on Marky's list and I'm planning on giving it a spin later today.
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WestwayKid wrote:
25 Sep 2019, 10:14am
Kory wrote:
24 Sep 2019, 7:03pm
Heston wrote:
24 Sep 2019, 7:00pm
Kory wrote:
24 Sep 2019, 6:46pm
This is one pocket of music history that I know VERY little about.
Try some of the recommended albums. Village Green is the king of them all.
I know I've listened to Arthur before, I thought that was pretty good.
Yup - start with Village Green. The Kinks had a really great run in the late 60's: Something Else, Village Green, Arthur, Lola Vs. Powerman. It's an era of music that has always fascinated me because I've never been big into many of the "big" American 60's bands like the Doors and so on. A lot of these records remain very much under the radar in the US. I know I didn't hear many of them until I was in my mid-20's (if not older). Tons of great stuff to listen to and discover. I had not listened to "We Are Paintermen" until I saw it on Marky's list and I'm planning on giving it a spin later today.
The Creation are incredibly underrated.
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Talking of "Arthur" I'm looking forward to this landing next month.

Arthur (Or The Decline And Fall Of The British Empire) super deluxe

CD1

ORIGINAL STEREO ALBUM, 2019 REMASTER

1.Victoria (Stereo)
2.Yes Sir, No Sir (Stereo)
3.Some Mother’s Son (Stereo)
4.Drivin’ (Stereo)
5.Brainwashed (Stereo)
6.Australia (Stereo)
7.Shangri-La (Stereo)
8.Mr. Churchill Says (Stereo)
9.She’s Bought A Hat Like Princess Marina (Stereo)
10.Young And Innocent Days (Stereo)
11.Nothing To Say (Stereo)
12.Arthur (Stereo)
Bonus Tracks :
13.Plastic Man (Stereo)
14.Victoria (Alternate Stereo Mix)
15.Yes Sir, No Sir (Alternate Stereo Mix)
16.Drivin’ (Alternate Stereo Mix)
17.Brainwashed (Alternate Stereo Mix)
18.Australia (Alternate Stereo Mix)
19.Shangri-La (Alternate Stereo Mix)

CD2

ORIGINAL MONO ALBUM, 2019 REMASTER

1.Victoria
2.Yes Sir, No Sir
3.Some Mother’s Son
4.Drivin’
5.Brainwashed
6.Australia
7.Shangri-La
8.Mr. Churchill
9.SaysShe’s Bought A Hat Like Princess Marina
10.Young And Innocent
11.Days
12.Nothing To Say
13.Arthur
Bonus Tracks :
13.Plastic Man (Mono)
14.King Kong (Mono)
15.Victoria (Alternate Mono Mix)
16.Australia (Alternate Mono Acetate Mix)
17.Shangri-La (Alternate Mono Mix)
18.She’s Bought A Hat Like Princess Marina (Alternate Mono Mix)
19.Australia (Australian Mono Single Mix/Edit)

CD3

THE GREAT LOST DAVE DAVIES ALBUM (STEREO)

1.This Man He Weeps Tonight
2.Mindless Child Of Motherhood
3.Hold My Hand
4.Do You Wish To Be A Man?
5.Are You Ready?
6.Creeping Jean
7.I’m Crying
8.Lincoln County
9.Mr. Shoemaker’s Daughter
10.Mr. Reporter
11.Groovy Movies
12.There Is No Life Without Love
Bonus Tracks :
13.Lincoln County (Mono Single Mix/Edit)
14.There Is No Life Without Love (Mono)
15.Hold My Hand (Mono)
16.Creeping Jean (Mono Single Mix/Edit)
17.Mindless Child Of Motherhood (Mono)
18.This Man He Weeps Tonight (Mono)
19.Mr. Shoemaker’s Daughter (Alternate Stereo Mix)
20.Mr. Reporter (Alternate Stereo Mix)
21.Groovy Movies (Alternate Stereo Mix)
22.Lincoln County (Acoustic Mix)
23.Hold My Hand (Alternate Take)

CD4

DEMOS / REHEARSALS / BBC MIXES / THEATRICAL / DOO WOP / REMIXES

Part 1
1. Arthur’s Journey (Introduction) (Stereo)
2. Australia (2019 Mix) (Stereo)
3. Home Demos Medley, 1969: Arthur / Victoria / Some Mother’s Son / Drivin’ /
Brainwashed / Mr. Churchill Says (TV Premix) (Mono)
Part 2
4. Shangri-La (2019 Mix) (Stereo)
5. My Big Sister (Theatrical Version) (Stereo)
6. Stevenage (Theatrical Version) (Stereo)
7. Space (Theatrical Version) (Full Version) (Stereo)
8. The Future (Doo-Wop Version) (Stereo)
9. Arthur (Doo-Wop Version) (Stereo)
Part 3
10. The Virgin Soldiers March (Mono)
11. Soldiers Coming Home (Instrumental) (Mono)
12. King Kong (BBC Mix) (Mono)
13. Victoria (Ray Davies & Band With The DR Symphony & Vocal Ensemble) (Stereo)
14. Arthur (BBC Mix) (Mono)
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I'll have to get that, it's when I got the deluxe Village Green when I realized that yes, it is the best album that falls under the perameters given on the previous page. It was practically the only thing I listened to for like all summer or something.
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tepista wrote:
25 Sep 2019, 6:38pm
I'll have to get that, it's when I got the deluxe Village Green when I realized that yes, it is the best album that falls under the perameters given on the previous page. It was practically the only thing I listened to for like all summer or something.
Amazing album and it just gets better with each new play.
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Marky Dread wrote:
25 Sep 2019, 2:39pm
Talking of "Arthur" I'm looking forward to this landing next month.

Arthur (Or The Decline And Fall Of The British Empire) super deluxe

CD1

ORIGINAL STEREO ALBUM, 2019 REMASTER

1.Victoria (Stereo)
2.Yes Sir, No Sir (Stereo)
3.Some Mother’s Son (Stereo)
4.Drivin’ (Stereo)
5.Brainwashed (Stereo)
6.Australia (Stereo)
7.Shangri-La (Stereo)
8.Mr. Churchill Says (Stereo)
9.She’s Bought A Hat Like Princess Marina (Stereo)
10.Young And Innocent Days (Stereo)
11.Nothing To Say (Stereo)
12.Arthur (Stereo)
Bonus Tracks :
13.Plastic Man (Stereo)
14.Victoria (Alternate Stereo Mix)
15.Yes Sir, No Sir (Alternate Stereo Mix)
16.Drivin’ (Alternate Stereo Mix)
17.Brainwashed (Alternate Stereo Mix)
18.Australia (Alternate Stereo Mix)
19.Shangri-La (Alternate Stereo Mix)

CD2

ORIGINAL MONO ALBUM, 2019 REMASTER

1.Victoria
2.Yes Sir, No Sir
3.Some Mother’s Son
4.Drivin’
5.Brainwashed
6.Australia
7.Shangri-La
8.Mr. Churchill
9.SaysShe’s Bought A Hat Like Princess Marina
10.Young And Innocent
11.Days
12.Nothing To Say
13.Arthur
Bonus Tracks :
13.Plastic Man (Mono)
14.King Kong (Mono)
15.Victoria (Alternate Mono Mix)
16.Australia (Alternate Mono Acetate Mix)
17.Shangri-La (Alternate Mono Mix)
18.She’s Bought A Hat Like Princess Marina (Alternate Mono Mix)
19.Australia (Australian Mono Single Mix/Edit)

CD3

THE GREAT LOST DAVE DAVIES ALBUM (STEREO)

1.This Man He Weeps Tonight
2.Mindless Child Of Motherhood
3.Hold My Hand
4.Do You Wish To Be A Man?
5.Are You Ready?
6.Creeping Jean
7.I’m Crying
8.Lincoln County
9.Mr. Shoemaker’s Daughter
10.Mr. Reporter
11.Groovy Movies
12.There Is No Life Without Love
Bonus Tracks :
13.Lincoln County (Mono Single Mix/Edit)
14.There Is No Life Without Love (Mono)
15.Hold My Hand (Mono)
16.Creeping Jean (Mono Single Mix/Edit)
17.Mindless Child Of Motherhood (Mono)
18.This Man He Weeps Tonight (Mono)
19.Mr. Shoemaker’s Daughter (Alternate Stereo Mix)
20.Mr. Reporter (Alternate Stereo Mix)
21.Groovy Movies (Alternate Stereo Mix)
22.Lincoln County (Acoustic Mix)
23.Hold My Hand (Alternate Take)

CD4

DEMOS / REHEARSALS / BBC MIXES / THEATRICAL / DOO WOP / REMIXES

Part 1
1. Arthur’s Journey (Introduction) (Stereo)
2. Australia (2019 Mix) (Stereo)
3. Home Demos Medley, 1969: Arthur / Victoria / Some Mother’s Son / Drivin’ /
Brainwashed / Mr. Churchill Says (TV Premix) (Mono)
Part 2
4. Shangri-La (2019 Mix) (Stereo)
5. My Big Sister (Theatrical Version) (Stereo)
6. Stevenage (Theatrical Version) (Stereo)
7. Space (Theatrical Version) (Full Version) (Stereo)
8. The Future (Doo-Wop Version) (Stereo)
9. Arthur (Doo-Wop Version) (Stereo)
Part 3
10. The Virgin Soldiers March (Mono)
11. Soldiers Coming Home (Instrumental) (Mono)
12. King Kong (BBC Mix) (Mono)
13. Victoria (Ray Davies & Band With The DR Symphony & Vocal Ensemble) (Stereo)
14. Arthur (BBC Mix) (Mono)
This looks fantastic!
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WestwayKid wrote:
26 Sep 2019, 7:37am
Marky Dread wrote:
25 Sep 2019, 2:39pm
Talking of "Arthur" I'm looking forward to this landing next month.

Arthur (Or The Decline And Fall Of The British Empire) super deluxe

CD1

ORIGINAL STEREO ALBUM, 2019 REMASTER

1.Victoria (Stereo)
2.Yes Sir, No Sir (Stereo)
3.Some Mother’s Son (Stereo)
4.Drivin’ (Stereo)
5.Brainwashed (Stereo)
6.Australia (Stereo)
7.Shangri-La (Stereo)
8.Mr. Churchill Says (Stereo)
9.She’s Bought A Hat Like Princess Marina (Stereo)
10.Young And Innocent Days (Stereo)
11.Nothing To Say (Stereo)
12.Arthur (Stereo)
Bonus Tracks :
13.Plastic Man (Stereo)
14.Victoria (Alternate Stereo Mix)
15.Yes Sir, No Sir (Alternate Stereo Mix)
16.Drivin’ (Alternate Stereo Mix)
17.Brainwashed (Alternate Stereo Mix)
18.Australia (Alternate Stereo Mix)
19.Shangri-La (Alternate Stereo Mix)

CD2

ORIGINAL MONO ALBUM, 2019 REMASTER

1.Victoria
2.Yes Sir, No Sir
3.Some Mother’s Son
4.Drivin’
5.Brainwashed
6.Australia
7.Shangri-La
8.Mr. Churchill
9.SaysShe’s Bought A Hat Like Princess Marina
10.Young And Innocent
11.Days
12.Nothing To Say
13.Arthur
Bonus Tracks :
13.Plastic Man (Mono)
14.King Kong (Mono)
15.Victoria (Alternate Mono Mix)
16.Australia (Alternate Mono Acetate Mix)
17.Shangri-La (Alternate Mono Mix)
18.She’s Bought A Hat Like Princess Marina (Alternate Mono Mix)
19.Australia (Australian Mono Single Mix/Edit)

CD3

THE GREAT LOST DAVE DAVIES ALBUM (STEREO)

1.This Man He Weeps Tonight
2.Mindless Child Of Motherhood
3.Hold My Hand
4.Do You Wish To Be A Man?
5.Are You Ready?
6.Creeping Jean
7.I’m Crying
8.Lincoln County
9.Mr. Shoemaker’s Daughter
10.Mr. Reporter
11.Groovy Movies
12.There Is No Life Without Love
Bonus Tracks :
13.Lincoln County (Mono Single Mix/Edit)
14.There Is No Life Without Love (Mono)
15.Hold My Hand (Mono)
16.Creeping Jean (Mono Single Mix/Edit)
17.Mindless Child Of Motherhood (Mono)
18.This Man He Weeps Tonight (Mono)
19.Mr. Shoemaker’s Daughter (Alternate Stereo Mix)
20.Mr. Reporter (Alternate Stereo Mix)
21.Groovy Movies (Alternate Stereo Mix)
22.Lincoln County (Acoustic Mix)
23.Hold My Hand (Alternate Take)

CD4

DEMOS / REHEARSALS / BBC MIXES / THEATRICAL / DOO WOP / REMIXES

Part 1
1. Arthur’s Journey (Introduction) (Stereo)
2. Australia (2019 Mix) (Stereo)
3. Home Demos Medley, 1969: Arthur / Victoria / Some Mother’s Son / Drivin’ /
Brainwashed / Mr. Churchill Says (TV Premix) (Mono)
Part 2
4. Shangri-La (2019 Mix) (Stereo)
5. My Big Sister (Theatrical Version) (Stereo)
6. Stevenage (Theatrical Version) (Stereo)
7. Space (Theatrical Version) (Full Version) (Stereo)
8. The Future (Doo-Wop Version) (Stereo)
9. Arthur (Doo-Wop Version) (Stereo)
Part 3
10. The Virgin Soldiers March (Mono)
11. Soldiers Coming Home (Instrumental) (Mono)
12. King Kong (BBC Mix) (Mono)
13. Victoria (Ray Davies & Band With The DR Symphony & Vocal Ensemble) (Stereo)
14. Arthur (BBC Mix) (Mono)
This looks fantastic!
Can't wait.
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I think I've already asked this question, but can one separate the artist from the music? Morrissey spews racist rhetoric, but I still like a lot of his music and I don't know if I can stop listening to it. I'm also a big Ryan Adams fan. I have not listened to his music since the New York Times broke their story about him earlier this year. He's accused of being a major creep when it comes to relationships and also exchanging inappropriate texts with a teenage fan. He has not been charged with anything (yet). I don't support his behavior. I think he's at minimum a real self absorbed jerk. I still really like his music, however. I just haven't given myself permission to listen to him again.
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I think you'd miss out on a lot of good art if you made moral integrity a prerequisite.

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We all separate art from artist to various degrees because we know that most musicians hold dubious views or have behaved in morally awful ways. Lennon was a domestic abuser. Elvis had a thing for young girls—hell, most rock musicians in the 60s and 70s probably committed statutory rape (and in some cases unqualified rape) with groupies. So we pick and choose what lines are sacrosanct and rationalize or ignore other things. It doesn't make us hypocrites, only that a commitment to absolutes and purities is best spent alone in a cave.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 8:46am
We all separate art from artist to various degrees because we know that most musicians hold dubious views or have behaved in morally awful ways. Lennon was a domestic abuser. Elvis had a thing for young girls—hell, most rock musicians in the 60s and 70s probably committed statutory rape (and in some cases unqualified rape) with groupies. So we pick and choose what lines are sacrosanct and rationalize or ignore other things. It doesn't make us hypocrites, only that a commitment to absolutes and purities is best spent alone in a cave.
Hello,

Play that funky music, a**hole!

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gkbill wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 8:53am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 8:46am
We all separate art from artist to various degrees because we know that most musicians hold dubious views or have behaved in morally awful ways. Lennon was a domestic abuser. Elvis had a thing for young girls—hell, most rock musicians in the 60s and 70s probably committed statutory rape (and in some cases unqualified rape) with groupies. So we pick and choose what lines are sacrosanct and rationalize or ignore other things. It doesn't make us hypocrites, only that a commitment to absolutes and purities is best spent alone in a cave.
Hello,

Play that funky music, a**hole!
I'm not following. Am I an asshole here?
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 8:57am
gkbill wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 8:53am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 8:46am
We all separate art from artist to various degrees because we know that most musicians hold dubious views or have behaved in morally awful ways. Lennon was a domestic abuser. Elvis had a thing for young girls—hell, most rock musicians in the 60s and 70s probably committed statutory rape (and in some cases unqualified rape) with groupies. So we pick and choose what lines are sacrosanct and rationalize or ignore other things. It doesn't make us hypocrites, only that a commitment to absolutes and purities is best spent alone in a cave.
Hello,

Play that funky music, a**hole!
I'm not following. Am I an asshole here?
I doubt very much he means you. The asshole in this case I expect being the whiteboy.

Separating the song from the artist. Wild Cherry playing rock music one night while a black dude shouted "Play Some Funky Music, Whiteboy" so the band go away and cut the song as a B-side but the record label like it so much they make it the A-side. And it gets to number 1 and sells millions of copies. Ironically it's one hell of a funky number but it's also ripped off from Fire" by The Ohio Players.
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