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Heston wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 1:03pm
Slickgonzalez wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 12:29pm
Curious why they used this version of 'Afro Cuban BeBop' instead of the highly superior mix from The Pogues box set? Here it is:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/qp738w7vgvpo0 ... .flac?dl=0
I must admit I prefer that version too. It's a matter of taste I suppose, I also prefer the other versions of Keys To Your Heart and Over the Border.

I had forgotten there was another version of afro-cuban bebop. I do prefer the 001 versions of Keys and Over the Border though.

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Re: NEW JOE STRUMMER ANTHOLOGY?

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Marky Dread wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 12:31pm
Slickgonzalez wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 12:29pm
Curious why they used this version of 'Afro Cuban BeBop' instead of the highly superior mix from The Pogues box set? Here it is:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/qp738w7vgvpo0 ... .flac?dl=0
That cat looks sad.


Apparently my Dropbox is eff'd up... Here's a WeTransfer link instead: https://wetransfer.com/downloads/1f75e8 ... 741/7c62ce

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Re: NEW JOE STRUMMER ANTHOLOGY?

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Slickgonzalez wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 1:38pm
Marky Dread wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 12:31pm
Slickgonzalez wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 12:29pm
Curious why they used this version of 'Afro Cuban BeBop' instead of the highly superior mix from The Pogues box set? Here it is:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/qp738w7vgvpo0 ... .flac?dl=0
That cat looks sad.


Apparently my Dropbox is eff'd up... Here's a WeTransfer link instead: https://wetransfer.com/downloads/1f75e8 ... 741/7c62ce
I don't really have preference I like 'em both equally. I think it's great they went for version that wasn't already available.
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What's up with "Radar"? Isn't this the same recording on Rock Art?
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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matedog wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 1:49pm
What's up with "Radar"? Isn't this the same recording on Rock Art?
I haven't compared and contrasted but is it the version that got played in one of his World Service radio shows, pre-dating the Rock Art version?

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matedog wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 1:49pm
What's up with "Radar"? Isn't this the same recording on Rock Art?
I think it's a different mix and longer.
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Marky Dread wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 1:42pm
Slickgonzalez wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 1:38pm
Marky Dread wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 12:31pm
Slickgonzalez wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 12:29pm
Curious why they used this version of 'Afro Cuban BeBop' instead of the highly superior mix from The Pogues box set? Here it is:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/qp738w7vgvpo0 ... .flac?dl=0
That cat looks sad.


Apparently my Dropbox is eff'd up... Here's a WeTransfer link instead: https://wetransfer.com/downloads/1f75e8 ... 741/7c62ce
I don't really have preference I like 'em both equally. I think it's great they went for version that wasn't already available.
The version they used is also on the Pogues box set...

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Marky Dread wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 1:59pm
matedog wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 1:49pm
What's up with "Radar"? Isn't this the same recording on Rock Art?
I think it's a different mix and longer.
There's also acoustic lead guitar bits in the X-Ray version and more percussion in the box set mix.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board

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Slickgonzalez wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 2:11pm
Marky Dread wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 1:42pm
Slickgonzalez wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 1:38pm
Marky Dread wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 12:31pm
Slickgonzalez wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 12:29pm
Curious why they used this version of 'Afro Cuban BeBop' instead of the highly superior mix from The Pogues box set? Here it is:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/qp738w7vgvpo0 ... .flac?dl=0
That cat looks sad.


Apparently my Dropbox is eff'd up... Here's a WeTransfer link instead: https://wetransfer.com/downloads/1f75e8 ... 741/7c62ce
I don't really have preference I like 'em both equally. I think it's great they went for version that wasn't already available.
The version they used is also on the Pogues box set...
Ah okay I didn't realize. I have a download of that Pogues set ans it's a bit too repetitious to get a lot of plays. I always play the albums way more.
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Heston wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 2:49pm
Marky Dread wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 1:59pm
matedog wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 1:49pm
What's up with "Radar"? Isn't this the same recording on Rock Art?
I think it's a different mix and longer.
There's also acoustic lead guitar bits in the X-Ray version and more percussion in the box set mix.

Yes you are correct mate but I do think they are the same track just with extra add ons and different mixes. At least that's how it appears to me. I think the RadaR (aka Machine) stuff was with Richard Norris and then reworked by the Meskies.
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Marky Dread wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 4:48pm
Heston wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 2:49pm
Marky Dread wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 1:59pm
matedog wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 1:49pm
What's up with "Radar"? Isn't this the same recording on Rock Art?
I think it's a different mix and longer.
There's also acoustic lead guitar bits in the X-Ray version and more percussion in the box set mix.

Yes you are correct mate but I do think they are the same track just with extra add ons and different mixes. At least that's how it appears to me. I think the RadaR (aka Machine) stuff was with Richard Norris and then reworked by the Meskies.
There is an X-Ray Style demo on the 2 disc Generations boot that to my ears sounded pretty much like the official version. Maybe that's it? I might try to dig it out if no one has it.

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Marky Dread wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 4:48pm
Heston wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 2:49pm
Marky Dread wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 1:59pm
matedog wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 1:49pm
What's up with "Radar"? Isn't this the same recording on Rock Art?
I think it's a different mix and longer.
There's also acoustic lead guitar bits in the X-Ray version and more percussion in the box set mix.

Yes you are correct mate but I do think they are the same track just with extra add ons and different mixes. At least that's how it appears to me. I think the RadaR (aka Machine) stuff was with Richard Norris and then reworked by the Meskies.
Oh yeah, just a remix with touch ups by the Meskies, not a reworked version.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board

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msza2 wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 5:01pm
Marky Dread wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 4:48pm
Heston wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 2:49pm
Marky Dread wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 1:59pm
matedog wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 1:49pm
What's up with "Radar"? Isn't this the same recording on Rock Art?
I think it's a different mix and longer.
There's also acoustic lead guitar bits in the X-Ray version and more percussion in the box set mix.

Yes you are correct mate but I do think they are the same track just with extra add ons and different mixes. At least that's how it appears to me. I think the RadaR (aka Machine) stuff was with Richard Norris and then reworked by the Meskies.
There is an X-Ray Style demo on the 2 disc Generations boot that to my ears sounded pretty much like the official version. Maybe that's it? I might try to dig it out if no one has it.
https://mega.nz/#!XxVB2Ixa!an1Mbe8D9-Yl ... PIB7V5WCYs
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Re: NEW JOE STRUMMER ANTHOLOGY?

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Marky Dread wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 5:21pm
msza2 wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 5:01pm
Marky Dread wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 4:48pm
Heston wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 2:49pm
Marky Dread wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 1:59pm


I think it's a different mix and longer.
There's also acoustic lead guitar bits in the X-Ray version and more percussion in the box set mix.

Yes you are correct mate but I do think they are the same track just with extra add ons and different mixes. At least that's how it appears to me. I think the RadaR (aka Machine) stuff was with Richard Norris and then reworked by the Meskies.
There is an X-Ray Style demo on the 2 disc Generations boot that to my ears sounded pretty much like the official version. Maybe that's it? I might try to dig it out if no one has it.
https://mega.nz/#!XxVB2Ixa!an1Mbe8D9-Yl ... PIB7V5WCYs
Ah, yes, that's it. Thanks Marky. I can hear some slight differences but it may just be the mix.

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matedog wrote:
04 Oct 2018, 1:49pm
What's up with "Radar"? Isn't this the same recording on Rock Art?
The 'Radar' version is, I'm pretty sure, the original release which only saw light on a very rare CD called Sandpaper Blues. This was only released in Japan to accompany an art exhibition of that name, featuring wooden carvings by artist Gordon McHarg, Joe's pal who is now the chief archivist of his works and helped compile the new box set. I think when the Rock Art album was put together, this track was then reworked/remixed slightly, possibly for copyright reasons cos Joe and Richard Norris had parted company by then.

https://www.discogs.com/Various-Sandpap ... e/11873815

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