I wish she had been a better campaigner.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 7:58pmYes, but Clinton was such a lousy candidate/campaigner that she would have done the same stupid shit against Jeb or anyone else. Losing to Trump just magnified that.revbob wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 7:52pmThats what they did the last time.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 7:39pmWould they be so awful if they didn't think that they could just count on an anti-Trump movement showing up and rewarding them? That is, is Trump so lousy it encourages Democrats to be contemptuous of voters?eumaas wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 6:28pmhttps://www.thenation.com/article/when- ... the-phone/
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Exactly and my fear is they will be complacent yet again.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 7:58pmYes, but Clinton was such a lousy candidate/campaigner that she would have done the same stupid shit against Jeb or anyone else. Losing to Trump just magnified that.revbob wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 7:52pmThats what they did the last time.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 7:39pmWould they be so awful if they didn't think that they could just count on an anti-Trump movement showing up and rewarding them? That is, is Trump so lousy it encourages Democrats to be contemptuous of voters?eumaas wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 6:28pmhttps://www.thenation.com/article/when- ... the-phone/
What a corrupt party. Good lord.
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When I was building lecture material for the Obama stuff, I laughed to see that she did sweet fuck all in Iowa in '07-'08, while he was assembling an amazing ground game, because she had all kinds of endorsements and stuff and was confident that voters would just default to her. Way to fail the class twice, Hillary. Maybe you're too fucking dumb for politics.eumaas wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 8:01pmI wish she had been a better campaigner.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 7:58pmYes, but Clinton was such a lousy candidate/campaigner that she would have done the same stupid shit against Jeb or anyone else. Losing to Trump just magnified that.revbob wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 7:52pmThats what they did the last time.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 7:39pmWould they be so awful if they didn't think that they could just count on an anti-Trump movement showing up and rewarding them? That is, is Trump so lousy it encourages Democrats to be contemptuous of voters?eumaas wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 6:28pmhttps://www.thenation.com/article/when- ... the-phone/
What a corrupt party. Good lord.
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Yeah the one positive thing, she wont be running again... right???
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That's where we find out whether she really is Grandma Nixon. Common sense says no, but the Clintons are supernatural demons who don't obey the laws of the physical universe, so …
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Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 10:09pmThat's where we find out whether she really is Grandma Nixon. Common sense says no, but the Clintons are supernatural demons who don't obey the laws of the physical universe, so …
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Lock her up! Lock her up!Rat Patrol wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 6:18pmDr. Medulla wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 10:09pmThat's where we find out whether she really is Grandma Nixon. Common sense says no, but the Clintons are supernatural demons who don't obey the laws of the physical universe, so …
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Forgot about her. No doubt she'll get pushed into the deep end soon enoughDr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 6:23pmLock her up! Lock her up!Rat Patrol wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 6:18pmDr. Medulla wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 10:09pmThat's where we find out whether she really is Grandma Nixon. Common sense says no, but the Clintons are supernatural demons who don't obey the laws of the physical universe, so …
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DNC flaks already tried to festoon her on a suitably upper-class upstate NY Congressional district for '18, but then the initial internal polling last year came back as "Too soon, brah...too soon" so the idea was quickly withdrawn and denials swiftly issued that it was ever considered in the first place.revbob wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 7:15pmForgot about her. No doubt she'll get pushed into the deep end soon enoughDr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 6:23pmLock her up! Lock her up!Rat Patrol wrote: ↑05 Mar 2018, 6:18pmDr. Medulla wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 10:09pmThat's where we find out whether she really is Grandma Nixon. Common sense says no, but the Clintons are supernatural demons who don't obey the laws of the physical universe, so …
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With a new round of Bernard Brother Madness kicking off online (this time because of some innocuous comments about the Ds terrible record during Obama's presidency), I'm still astonished at how defensive and threatened people who would undoubtedly describe themselves as "progressives"/"allies"/etc are by a very middle-of-the-road social democrat.
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However, doesn't it reinforce the fundamental fact that liberal is not the same thing as socialist/social democrat? Liberals are not of the left, no matter how much conservatives like to foam at the mouth about Hillary as a Trotskyite, or liberals like to think they have critical cachet. Sanders ain't all that radical, but enough so to expose the dyed-in-the-wool centrism of liberals/progressives.Inder wrote: ↑05 Apr 2018, 7:03pmWith a new round of Bernard Brother Madness kicking off online (this time because of some innocuous comments about the Ds terrible record during Obama's presidency), I'm still astonished at how defensive and threatened people who would undoubtedly describe themselves as "progressives"/"allies"/etc are by a very middle-of-the-road social democrat.
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reading this last batch of criticism may have made me legally go blind.Inder wrote: ↑05 Apr 2018, 7:03pmWith a new round of Bernard Brother Madness kicking off online (this time because of some innocuous comments about the Ds terrible record during Obama's presidency), I'm still astonished at how defensive and threatened people who would undoubtedly describe themselves as "progressives"/"allies"/etc are by a very middle-of-the-road social democrat.
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Even better/worse, by tying Sanders' criticism as somehow gauche or racist, given the anniversary of MLK's assassination, it requires a willful ignorance of King's criticism of American life, of which Sanders is closer than Obama. Obsma really has become the liberal Reagan, where supporters ignore what they want about his actions and positions to make the man above criticism.
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Sanders didn't even really criticize Obama, he called him brilliant. He said that his charisma blinded a lot of Dems to the fact they were being completely decimated at other levels of government. Which a straightforwardly and obviously true statement. It boggles my mind (well, it doesn't really) that this is getting turned into "Sanders criticizes Obama" by liberal dead-enders.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Apr 2018, 10:03pmEven better/worse, by tying Sanders' criticism as somehow gauche or racist, given the anniversary of MLK's assassination, it requires a willful ignorance of King's criticism of American life, of which Sanders is closer than Obama. Obsma really has become the liberal Reagan, where supporters ignore what they want about his actions and positions to make the man above criticism.
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People don't know how to read properly.Flex wrote: ↑05 Apr 2018, 11:09pmSanders didn't even really criticize Obama, he called him brilliant. He said that his charisma blinded a lot of Dems to the fact they were being completely decimated at other levels of government. Which a straightforwardly and obviously true statement. It boggles my mind (well, it doesn't really) that this is getting turned into "Sanders criticizes Obama" by liberal dead-enders.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Apr 2018, 10:03pmEven better/worse, by tying Sanders' criticism as somehow gauche or racist, given the anniversary of MLK's assassination, it requires a willful ignorance of King's criticism of American life, of which Sanders is closer than Obama. Obsma really has become the liberal Reagan, where supporters ignore what they want about his actions and positions to make the man above criticism.
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