What does Punk Rock mean to you?

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A classic example of punk turned bad: would you align yourself with this shit?

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Heston wrote:A classic example of punk turned bad: would you align yourself with this shit?

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I'd like it if it were two minutes long and Billie Joe Armstrong's vocals hadn't floated off into space. In this reality, it's an overlong Mott the Hoople rip-off from a band that until recently had a legitimate claim to being a fine rock 'n' roll outfit.
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Silent Majority wrote:
Heston wrote:A classic example of punk turned bad: would you align yourself with this shit?

[youtube][/youtube]
I'd like it if it were two minutes long and Billie Joe Armstrong's vocals hadn't floated off into space. In this reality, it's an overlong Mott the Hoople rip-off from a band that until recently had a legitimate claim to being a fine rock 'n' roll outfit.
Hang on, I can't see the Mott the Hoople connection, it sounds more like McFly to these ears.
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Heston wrote:
Silent Majority wrote:
Heston wrote:A classic example of punk turned bad: would you align yourself with this shit?

[youtube][/youtube]
I'd like it if it were two minutes long and Billie Joe Armstrong's vocals hadn't floated off into space. In this reality, it's an overlong Mott the Hoople rip-off from a band that until recently had a legitimate claim to being a fine rock 'n' roll outfit.
Hang on, I can't see the Mott the Hoople connection, it sounds more like McFly to these ears.
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Silent Majority wrote:
Heston wrote:
Silent Majority wrote:
Heston wrote:A classic example of punk turned bad: would you align yourself with this shit?

[youtube][/youtube]
I'd like it if it were two minutes long and Billie Joe Armstrong's vocals hadn't floated off into space. In this reality, it's an overlong Mott the Hoople rip-off from a band that until recently had a legitimate claim to being a fine rock 'n' roll outfit.
Hang on, I can't see the Mott the Hoople connection, it sounds more like McFly to these ears.
"Twen-ty one guuuuuns..."
"All the yoooooung duuuuuuudes..."
How did I miss that? It's still fuckin' horrible though.
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I think Op Ivy is the last American punk band I fully endorse. I'll extend the courtesy to Rancid and early Green Day, but even those two, as great as they can be, are basically playing "in the genre," unlike Op Ivy which actually extended it a bit.
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eumaas wrote:I think Op Ivy is the last American punk band I fully endorse. I'll extend the courtesy to Rancid and early Green Day, but even those two, as great as they can be, are basically playing "in the genre," unlike Op Ivy which actually extended it a bit.
I will argue that the American Idiot album to be a mostly worthwhile piece of work. By bringing in the 'Quick One While He's Away' influence to tracks like 'Jesus of Surburbia' and 'Homecoming', it's possible they brought something new to the table, but I don't know much about current punk bands, so someone else may well have done it first.

'Homecoming' is one of my favourite Green Day tracks, actually.
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Silent Majority wrote:
eumaas wrote:I think Op Ivy is the last American punk band I fully endorse. I'll extend the courtesy to Rancid and early Green Day, but even those two, as great as they can be, are basically playing "in the genre," unlike Op Ivy which actually extended it a bit.
I will argue that the American Idiot album to be a mostly worthwhile piece of work. By bringing in the 'Quick One While He's Away' influence to tracks like 'Jesus of Surburbia' and 'Homecoming', it's possible they brought something new to the table, but I don't know much about current punk bands, so someone else may well have done it first.

'Homecoming' is one of my favourite Green Day tracks, actually.
Green Day have too many stylists to be real Punk.
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Silent Majority wrote:
eumaas wrote:I think Op Ivy is the last American punk band I fully endorse. I'll extend the courtesy to Rancid and early Green Day, but even those two, as great as they can be, are basically playing "in the genre," unlike Op Ivy which actually extended it a bit.
I will argue that the American Idiot album to be a mostly worthwhile piece of work. By bringing in the 'Quick One While He's Away' influence to tracks like 'Jesus of Surburbia' and 'Homecoming', it's possible they brought something new to the table, but I don't know much about current punk bands, so someone else may well have done it first.

'Homecoming' is one of my favourite Green Day tracks, actually.
A lot of people love American Idiot. I don't really like it. You may be right that it's a great work, but I'm just not interested enough to reexamine it.
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70s punk observation:

British punk is a genre, New York punk is a period.
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Heston wrote: Green Day have too many stylists to be real Punk.
Granted, but at their best they're a very good power-pop band with punk influences.

eumaas wrote:70s punk observation:

British punk is a genre, New York punk is a period.
There loads of different musical styles incorporated New York punk. Blondie, the Ramones, Television, Patti Smith. They don't really sound alike.
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eumaas wrote:70s punk observation:

British punk is a genre, New York punk is a period.
When you think of the variety of New York punk of the mid- to late-70s, especially compared to London/the UK, it's as if NY skipped straight to post-punk.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
20 Feb 2010, 7:27pm
eumaas wrote:70s punk observation:

British punk is a genre, New York punk is a period.
When you think of the variety of New York punk of the mid- to late-70s, especially compared to London/the UK, it's as if NY skipped straight to post-punk.
That would depend on which bands you listened to and how you define punk. Throbbing Gristle/Wire/Siouxsie & the Banshees and a whole wealth of lesser known bands don't fit the straight jacket music press definition. Then you can look at The Ramones/ Dead Boys/The Dictators etc and not class them with post punk.
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Marky Dread wrote:
03 Dec 2017, 10:24pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
20 Feb 2010, 7:27pm
eumaas wrote:70s punk observation:

British punk is a genre, New York punk is a period.
When you think of the variety of New York punk of the mid- to late-70s, especially compared to London/the UK, it's as if NY skipped straight to post-punk.
That would depend on which bands you listened to and how you define punk. Throbbing Gristle/Wire/Siouxsie & the Banshees and a whole wealth of lesser known bands don't fit the straight jacket music press definition. Then you can look at The Ramones/ Dead Boys/The Dictators etc and not class them with post punk.
And there's the nut crack.
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Marky Dread wrote:
03 Dec 2017, 10:24pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
20 Feb 2010, 7:27pm
eumaas wrote:70s punk observation:

British punk is a genre, New York punk is a period.
When you think of the variety of New York punk of the mid- to late-70s, especially compared to London/the UK, it's as if NY skipped straight to post-punk.
That would depend on which bands you listened to and how you define punk. Throbbing Gristle/Wire/Siouxsie & the Banshees and a whole wealth of lesser known bands don't fit the straight jacket music press definition. Then you can look at The Ramones/ Dead Boys/The Dictators etc and not class them with post punk.
Marky gives a nice considered answer after 7 years!
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