"Stoned Out of My Mind" was a pretty groovy top 40 hit for the Chi-Lites back in the 70s.Silent Majority wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 9:13pmYeah, I guess that Sunday Morning Coming Down and Eight Miles High were less contentious because they didn't come from those spotty little punk rocker herberts.Marky Dread wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 9:00pmHe is love with getting stoned woaaah! I doubt the radio would play it. They didn't want GStQ on the radio either Peel played it late at night and it was discussed on Brian Wolf's Open Line radio program. So I expect CBS who were not one for getting their fingers burned would've wanted it. Of course this is pure conjecture on my part.Silent Majority wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 8:40pmGod Save the Queen got to number one (aside from chart trickery by the establishment), I think just invoking the name of Janie Jones, high class pimpette, would have been okay.Marky Dread wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 8:38pmYeah I think so mate. Couldn't see it getting a release though.
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Drugs reference yes but a different context. Ones a bunch of scruffy punk rockers singing about a guy who is in love with getting stoned. The other a nice harmonic group singing about the heartache caused by a girl.Heston wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 9:25pm"Stoned Out of My Mind" was a pretty groovy top 40 hit for the Chi-Lites back in the 70s.Silent Majority wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 9:13pmYeah, I guess that Sunday Morning Coming Down and Eight Miles High were less contentious because they didn't come from those spotty little punk rocker herberts.Marky Dread wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 9:00pmHe is love with getting stoned woaaah! I doubt the radio would play it. They didn't want GStQ on the radio either Peel played it late at night and it was discussed on Brian Wolf's Open Line radio program. So I expect CBS who were not one for getting their fingers burned would've wanted it. Of course this is pure conjecture on my part.Silent Majority wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 8:40pmGod Save the Queen got to number one (aside from chart trickery by the establishment), I think just invoking the name of Janie Jones, high class pimpette, would have been okay.Marky Dread wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 8:38pm
Yeah I think so mate. Couldn't see it getting a release though.
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I actually agree, and I don't care a lot about the Polydor and Beaconsfield demos. But what can you do - release your debut album from live versions?Heston wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 8:57pmYeah, the single version is just too nice.muppet hi fi wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 8:54pmYeah. I remember getting the import s/t in late '77 and, having read about "White Riot", thought it was a beast, all it was cracked up to be. Imagine my surprise when I got the 45 a year later and thought it was, as you Brits might say, a bit twee. (although I love the handclaps and Pauls walking bassline, which he never seemed to play live, maybe cause the band played it too bloody fast. Fucking Topper! ).Heston wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 8:46pmGood point. I much prefer the Beaconsfield version so could have lived with that being the single. Then the album would have had a more uniform sound.Marky Dread wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 5:19pmHere's another point to discuss. The band didn't want CBS to release the single because they had already released "White Riot" however the single version of WR is not on the album when it came from the same sessions and maybe it should've been. Perhaps the Beaconsfield version should've been the single as a lot of folks prefer that. I prefer the single with the sirens.
I actually think White Riot is the best sounding song on the first album, everything should have sounded like this, raw as hell and urgent as fuck.
Actually I think "Janie Jones" is absolutely perfect on s/t. It was always played too fast with Topper, and even sounded a bit off on the Combat Rock tour with Terry (although better than Topper, IMO). It's like the Stones with "Satisfaction" - they never really got the vibe of the studio version down. Ya know? Slower and more propulsive = sexier and more compelling a lot of the time.
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I bet at least one member of the Chi-lites liked a bit of draw.Marky Dread wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 9:31pmDrugs reference yes but a different context. Ones a bunch of scruffy punk rockers singing about a guy who is in love with getting stoned. The other a nice harmonic group singing about the heartache caused by a girl.Heston wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 9:25pm"Stoned Out of My Mind" was a pretty groovy top 40 hit for the Chi-Lites back in the 70s.Silent Majority wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 9:13pmYeah, I guess that Sunday Morning Coming Down and Eight Miles High were less contentious because they didn't come from those spotty little punk rocker herberts.Marky Dread wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 9:00pmHe is love with getting stoned woaaah! I doubt the radio would play it. They didn't want GStQ on the radio either Peel played it late at night and it was discussed on Brian Wolf's Open Line radio program. So I expect CBS who were not one for getting their fingers burned would've wanted it. Of course this is pure conjecture on my part.Silent Majority wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 8:40pm
God Save the Queen got to number one (aside from chart trickery by the establishment), I think just invoking the name of Janie Jones, high class pimpette, would have been okay.
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Totally, I don't think Topper ever nailed it. I think the best live versions of the first album songs were played best around 77-78-early 79. Later on it sounded like they were going through the motions a bit with some of the s/t songs. Their heads were obviously in a different place by that time.muppet hi fi wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 9:32pmActually I think "Janie Jones" is absolutely perfect on s/t. It was always played too fast with Topper, and even sounded a bit off on the Combat Rock tour with Terry (although better than Topper, IMO). It's like the Stones with "Satisfaction" - they never really got the vibe of the studio version down. Ya know? Slower and more propulsive = sexier and more compelling a lot of the time.
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Yeah but you would've only ended up with half of the album sounding that raw as they only recorded what 6 songs at Beaconsfield. I don't agree that those versions are all better than the stuff recorded at CBBS studios, London. I do really like one of the versions of 1977 but that never made the album anyway.muppet hi fi wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 9:32pmI actually agree, and I don't care a lot about the Polydor and Beaconsfield demos. But what can you do - release your debut album from live versions?Heston wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 8:57pmYeah, the single version is just too nice.muppet hi fi wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 8:54pmYeah. I remember getting the import s/t in late '77 and, having read about "White Riot", thought it was a beast, all it was cracked up to be. Imagine my surprise when I got the 45 a year later and thought it was, as you Brits might say, a bit twee. (although I love the handclaps and Pauls walking bassline, which he never seemed to play live, maybe cause the band played it too bloody fast. Fucking Topper! ).Heston wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 8:46pmGood point. I much prefer the Beaconsfield version so could have lived with that being the single. Then the album would have had a more uniform sound.Marky Dread wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 5:19pmHere's another point to discuss. The band didn't want CBS to release the single because they had already released "White Riot" however the single version of WR is not on the album when it came from the same sessions and maybe it should've been. Perhaps the Beaconsfield version should've been the single as a lot of folks prefer that. I prefer the single with the sirens.
I actually think White Riot is the best sounding song on the first album, everything should have sounded like this, raw as hell and urgent as fuck.
Actually I think "Janie Jones" is absolutely perfect on s/t. It was always played too fast with Topper, and even sounded a bit off on the Combat Rock tour with Terry (although better than Topper, IMO). It's like the Stones with "Satisfaction" - they never really got the vibe of the studio version down. Ya know? Slower and more propulsive = sexier and more compelling a lot of the time.
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Okay Mr. Heston if you wanna play. I bet all four members of The Clash were really good boys and never touched any.Heston wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 9:33pmI bet at least one member of the Chi-lites liked a bit of draw.Marky Dread wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 9:31pmDrugs reference yes but a different context. Ones a bunch of scruffy punk rockers singing about a guy who is in love with getting stoned. The other a nice harmonic group singing about the heartache caused by a girl.Heston wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 9:25pm"Stoned Out of My Mind" was a pretty groovy top 40 hit for the Chi-Lites back in the 70s.Silent Majority wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 9:13pmYeah, I guess that Sunday Morning Coming Down and Eight Miles High were less contentious because they didn't come from those spotty little punk rocker herberts.Marky Dread wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 9:00pm
He is love with getting stoned woaaah! I doubt the radio would play it. They didn't want GStQ on the radio either Peel played it late at night and it was discussed on Brian Wolf's Open Line radio program. So I expect CBS who were not one for getting their fingers burned would've wanted it. Of course this is pure conjecture on my part.
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Yeah, it's only really White Riot that sounds better from the Beaconsfield sessions, but I'm just imagining a situation where they recorded the full album with the Beaconsfield sound but more time for overdubs etc. That White Riot is just so powerful and raw for me, the rest of the album slightly withers in comparison.Marky Dread wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 9:39pmYeah but you would've only ended up with half of the album sounding that raw as they only recorded what 6 songs at Beaconsfield. I don't agree that those versions are all better than the stuff recorded at CBBS studios, London. I do really like one of the versions of 1977 but that never made the album anyway.muppet hi fi wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 9:32pmI actually agree, and I don't care a lot about the Polydor and Beaconsfield demos. But what can you do - release your debut album from live versions?Heston wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 8:57pmYeah, the single version is just too nice.muppet hi fi wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 8:54pmYeah. I remember getting the import s/t in late '77 and, having read about "White Riot", thought it was a beast, all it was cracked up to be. Imagine my surprise when I got the 45 a year later and thought it was, as you Brits might say, a bit twee. (although I love the handclaps and Pauls walking bassline, which he never seemed to play live, maybe cause the band played it too bloody fast. Fucking Topper! ).
I actually think White Riot is the best sounding song on the first album, everything should have sounded like this, raw as hell and urgent as fuck.
Actually I think "Janie Jones" is absolutely perfect on s/t. It was always played too fast with Topper, and even sounded a bit off on the Combat Rock tour with Terry (although better than Topper, IMO). It's like the Stones with "Satisfaction" - they never really got the vibe of the studio version down. Ya know? Slower and more propulsive = sexier and more compelling a lot of the time.
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I've always wondered why London's Burning was released as the B-side to Remote Control in mono only. The Beaconsfield demos all appear to be in stereo.
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I think I love single more because I had that first. I remember what thrill it was listening to those police sirens at the start. I suppose maybe my ideal version might be the Beaconsfield version with the sirens added. However there are three versions complete from Beaconsfield the demo produced by Mickey Foote that is the album version with extra production and the handclaps removed (on the album version you can still hear one handclap around 1 min 24 secs mark) and one without backing vocals the other is the one the one used for the promo film by Julian Temple and I prefer that one best.Heston wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 9:44pmYeah, it's only really White Riot that sounds better from the Beaconsfield sessions, but I'm just imagining a situation where they recorded the full album with the Beaconsfield sound but more time for overdubs etc. That White Riot is just so powerful and raw for me, the rest of the album slightly withers in comparison.Marky Dread wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 9:39pmYeah but you would've only ended up with half of the album sounding that raw as they only recorded what 6 songs at Beaconsfield. I don't agree that those versions are all better than the stuff recorded at CBBS studios, London. I do really like one of the versions of 1977 but that never made the album anyway.muppet hi fi wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 9:32pmI actually agree, and I don't care a lot about the Polydor and Beaconsfield demos. But what can you do - release your debut album from live versions?Heston wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 8:57pmYeah, the single version is just too nice.muppet hi fi wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 8:54pm
Yeah. I remember getting the import s/t in late '77 and, having read about "White Riot", thought it was a beast, all it was cracked up to be. Imagine my surprise when I got the 45 a year later and thought it was, as you Brits might say, a bit twee. (although I love the handclaps and Pauls walking bassline, which he never seemed to play live, maybe cause the band played it too bloody fast. Fucking Topper! ).
I actually think White Riot is the best sounding song on the first album, everything should have sounded like this, raw as hell and urgent as fuck.
Actually I think "Janie Jones" is absolutely perfect on s/t. It was always played too fast with Topper, and even sounded a bit off on the Combat Rock tour with Terry (although better than Topper, IMO). It's like the Stones with "Satisfaction" - they never really got the vibe of the studio version down. Ya know? Slower and more propulsive = sexier and more compelling a lot of the time.
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Yeah and have to remember how bad the lyrics were to "I'm So Bored with the U.S.A." on the Beaconsfield version with all that wearing a baseball shirt and looking like he's ready to bat nonsense. The backing track is great but urghh those lyrics are awful.Heston wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 9:44pmYeah, it's only really White Riot that sounds better from the Beaconsfield sessions, but I'm just imagining a situation where they recorded the full album with the Beaconsfield sound but more time for overdubs etc. That White Riot is just so powerful and raw for me, the rest of the album slightly withers in comparison.Marky Dread wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 9:39pmYeah but you would've only ended up with half of the album sounding that raw as they only recorded what 6 songs at Beaconsfield. I don't agree that those versions are all better than the stuff recorded at CBBS studios, London. I do really like one of the versions of 1977 but that never made the album anyway.muppet hi fi wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 9:32pmI actually agree, and I don't care a lot about the Polydor and Beaconsfield demos. But what can you do - release your debut album from live versions?Heston wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 8:57pmYeah, the single version is just too nice.muppet hi fi wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 8:54pm
Yeah. I remember getting the import s/t in late '77 and, having read about "White Riot", thought it was a beast, all it was cracked up to be. Imagine my surprise when I got the 45 a year later and thought it was, as you Brits might say, a bit twee. (although I love the handclaps and Pauls walking bassline, which he never seemed to play live, maybe cause the band played it too bloody fast. Fucking Topper! ).
I actually think White Riot is the best sounding song on the first album, everything should have sounded like this, raw as hell and urgent as fuck.
Actually I think "Janie Jones" is absolutely perfect on s/t. It was always played too fast with Topper, and even sounded a bit off on the Combat Rock tour with Terry (although better than Topper, IMO). It's like the Stones with "Satisfaction" - they never really got the vibe of the studio version down. Ya know? Slower and more propulsive = sexier and more compelling a lot of the time.
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Hey guys, relax, don’t do it.Marky Dread wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 9:21pmHey the BBC banned Space Oddity. So who knows but if something was current news that could offend then the Beeb in their holier than thou wisdom would ban it. If you brought attention to yourselves like the Pistols then you were sure to be banned until the dust settled. "All over news, spread fast. They're dirty, they're filthy. They ain't a gonna last".Silent Majority wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 9:13pmYeah, I guess that Sunday Morning Coming Down and Eight Miles High were less contentious because they didn't come from those spotty little punk rocker herberts.Marky Dread wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 9:00pmHe is love with getting stoned woaaah! I doubt the radio would play it. They didn't want GStQ on the radio either Peel played it late at night and it was discussed on Brian Wolf's Open Line radio program. So I expect CBS who were not one for getting their fingers burned would've wanted it. Of course this is pure conjecture on my part.Silent Majority wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 8:40pmGod Save the Queen got to number one (aside from chart trickery by the establishment), I think just invoking the name of Janie Jones, high class pimpette, would have been okay.Marky Dread wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 8:38pm
Yeah I think so mate. Couldn't see it getting a release though.
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What about when you wanna come?101Walterton wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 11:26pmHey guys, relax, don’t do it.Marky Dread wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 9:21pmHey the BBC banned Space Oddity. So who knows but if something was current news that could offend then the Beeb in their holier than thou wisdom would ban it. If you brought attention to yourselves like the Pistols then you were sure to be banned until the dust settled. "All over news, spread fast. They're dirty, they're filthy. They ain't a gonna last".Silent Majority wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 9:13pmYeah, I guess that Sunday Morning Coming Down and Eight Miles High were less contentious because they didn't come from those spotty little punk rocker herberts.Marky Dread wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 9:00pmHe is love with getting stoned woaaah! I doubt the radio would play it. They didn't want GStQ on the radio either Peel played it late at night and it was discussed on Brian Wolf's Open Line radio program. So I expect CBS who were not one for getting their fingers burned would've wanted it. Of course this is pure conjecture on my part.Silent Majority wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 8:40pm
God Save the Queen got to number one (aside from chart trickery by the establishment), I think just invoking the name of Janie Jones, high class pimpette, would have been okay.
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I always thought it was to partially financially justify that promo video they shot.Marky Dread wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 9:48pmI've always wondered why London's Burning was released as the B-side to Remote Control in mono only. The Beaconsfield demos all appear to be in stereo.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.
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There's a lot of merit to the single version, but Beaconsfield really punches you in the face with its rawness. For a song about anger and energy, having a rougher, tougher sound really compliments it.Heston wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 9:44pmYeah, it's only really White Riot that sounds better from the Beaconsfield sessions, but I'm just imagining a situation where they recorded the full album with the Beaconsfield sound but more time for overdubs etc. That White Riot is just so powerful and raw for me, the rest of the album slightly withers in comparison.Marky Dread wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 9:39pmYeah but you would've only ended up with half of the album sounding that raw as they only recorded what 6 songs at Beaconsfield. I don't agree that those versions are all better than the stuff recorded at CBBS studios, London. I do really like one of the versions of 1977 but that never made the album anyway.muppet hi fi wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 9:32pmI actually agree, and I don't care a lot about the Polydor and Beaconsfield demos. But what can you do - release your debut album from live versions?Heston wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 8:57pmYeah, the single version is just too nice.muppet hi fi wrote: ↑02 Nov 2017, 8:54pm
Yeah. I remember getting the import s/t in late '77 and, having read about "White Riot", thought it was a beast, all it was cracked up to be. Imagine my surprise when I got the 45 a year later and thought it was, as you Brits might say, a bit twee. (although I love the handclaps and Pauls walking bassline, which he never seemed to play live, maybe cause the band played it too bloody fast. Fucking Topper! ).
I actually think White Riot is the best sounding song on the first album, everything should have sounded like this, raw as hell and urgent as fuck.
Actually I think "Janie Jones" is absolutely perfect on s/t. It was always played too fast with Topper, and even sounded a bit off on the Combat Rock tour with Terry (although better than Topper, IMO). It's like the Stones with "Satisfaction" - they never really got the vibe of the studio version down. Ya know? Slower and more propulsive = sexier and more compelling a lot of the time.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.