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Re: Awful Voices Thread

Post by Heston » 26 Oct 2017, 3:24pm

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I’m on a rant now.
I tell you what else I hate the current trend for singing where instead of just singing the note they sing the note then go up and down the scale round the houses and back again.
For an example watch any episode of The Voice, Whoever’s Got Talent etc..
Just sing the the bloody note!!!!
Whitney and Mariah school of singing. 26 notes per syllable. Awful indeed.
So what does Marconi playing the mamba mean? "Marconi" is referring to the radio itself. It plays a deadly snake. The snake - the mamba - is slithering from the speakers. Ready to kill greedy corporations. Ready to free the world of all that is evil, and to leave behind only the youthful idealism encompassed by the tenets of rock and roll.

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Re: Awful Voices Thread

Post by matedog » 26 Oct 2017, 3:25pm

Should have posted that in the "Hot Takes" thread.

I love Mick's singing and I love his songs. Doesn't mean his voice isn't thin, reedy, and even a bit nasally. He covers it up well with great tunes, spirited delivery, double tracking, stacked harmonies (Bottom Line, for example), and co-leads with Joe. If you put Mick in a lesser band, it would be a lot more obvious.

What I find telling is listening to the Mick songs that have Joe parts vs. the Joe songs with Mick parts. Whenever Joe shows up in the middle of a Mick song, it's this warm, passionate presence (Something About England is very glaring, but also live Somebody Got Murdered) and it elicits excitement in me. When Mick shows up on a Joe song, it never elicits much out of me (Clampdown for example).
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Re: Awful Voices Thread

Post by matedog » 26 Oct 2017, 3:27pm

Heston wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 3:24pm
101Walterton wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 3:12pm
I’m on a rant now.
I tell you what else I hate the current trend for singing where instead of just singing the note they sing the note then go up and down the scale round the houses and back again.
For an example watch any episode of The Voice, Whoever’s Got Talent etc..
Just sing the the bloody note!!!!
Whitney and Mariah school of singing. 26 notes per syllable. Awful indeed.
Whitney was never that bad. Mariah, sure. I thought it really got bad during the late 90's early 00's. Listen to those early Destiny's Child single and the last chorus is always bonus vamping off key. Christina Aguilera definitely exacerbated things which carried through to American Idol and there was no looking back after that. Fortunately modern day belters seem a bit more restrained (Ariana Grande, Adele).
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Re: Awful Voices Thread

Post by matedog » 26 Oct 2017, 3:29pm

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I don't like Jagger's voice, but I wouldn't call it awful either (he doesn't kill Stones songs for me, but he doesn't help things along).
There's a weird appeal to Jagger's voice for me. However, Keith's lead vocals have always been god damn atrocious to me. How is "Happy" considered a good song by anyone? Yet it's apparently worthy of all of their best of comps. Any lead of his is an automatic skip for me. "You Got the Silver", ugh.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Re: Awful Voices Thread

Post by matedog » 26 Oct 2017, 3:31pm

WestwayKid wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 3:00pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 2:55pm
Heston wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 2:36pm
Axl sounds like a parrot with its balls caught in a vice.
Ha! I used to describe Sebastian Bach's voice as having his nuts in a vice. Really, tho, he had a generic metal singer's screech.
Yuck. I think there have been some great metal singers - Rob Halford comes to mind...but hair metal produced some truly awful singers. More about image and how you looked in tight trousers than how well you could sing.
Metal generally commands a lot of technical skill all around. That being said, hair metal was a pretty dumbed down version. Bret Michaels and Vince Neil both have terrible terrible voices.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Re: Awful Voices Thread

Post by Dr. Medulla » 26 Oct 2017, 3:31pm

Not that I'm advocating any of these, but other obvious nominees: Morrissey, Biafra, Mark E. Smith, Dylan
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Re: Awful Voices Thread

Post by Heston » 26 Oct 2017, 3:34pm

matedog wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 3:27pm
Whitney was never that bad
The "me" in "I Wanna Dance With Somebody Who Loves Me" has about 8 notes in one second.
So what does Marconi playing the mamba mean? "Marconi" is referring to the radio itself. It plays a deadly snake. The snake - the mamba - is slithering from the speakers. Ready to kill greedy corporations. Ready to free the world of all that is evil, and to leave behind only the youthful idealism encompassed by the tenets of rock and roll.

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Re: Awful Voices Thread

Post by Heston » 26 Oct 2017, 3:36pm

matedog wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 3:25pm
Should have posted that in the "Hot Takes" thread.

I love Mick's singing and I love his songs. Doesn't mean his voice isn't thin, reedy, and even a bit nasally. He covers it up well with great tunes, spirited delivery, double tracking, stacked harmonies (Bottom Line, for example), and co-leads with Joe. If you put Mick in a lesser band, it would be a lot more obvious.

What I find telling is listening to the Mick songs that have Joe parts vs. the Joe songs with Mick parts. Whenever Joe shows up in the middle of a Mick song, it's this warm, passionate presence (Something About England is very glaring, but also live Somebody Got Murdered) and it elicits excitement in me. When Mick shows up on a Joe song, it never elicits much out of me (Clampdown for example).
Now I love the middle bit of Clampdown!
So what does Marconi playing the mamba mean? "Marconi" is referring to the radio itself. It plays a deadly snake. The snake - the mamba - is slithering from the speakers. Ready to kill greedy corporations. Ready to free the world of all that is evil, and to leave behind only the youthful idealism encompassed by the tenets of rock and roll.

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Re: Awful Voices Thread

Post by 101Walterton » 26 Oct 2017, 3:40pm

matedog wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 3:29pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 1:20pm
I don't like Jagger's voice, but I wouldn't call it awful either (he doesn't kill Stones songs for me, but he doesn't help things along).
There's a weird appeal to Jagger's voice for me. However, Keith's lead vocals have always been god damn atrocious to me. How is "Happy" considered a good song by anyone? Yet it's apparently worthy of all of their best of comps. Any lead of his is an automatic skip for me. "You Got the Silver", ugh.
Interested to know what you think of Guiding Light - Television?

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Re: Awful Voices Thread

Post by matedog » 26 Oct 2017, 3:41pm

Heston wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 3:34pm
matedog wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 3:27pm
Whitney was never that bad
The "me" in "I Wanna Dance With Somebody Who Loves Me" has about 8 notes in one second.
I'm only hearing one note in "me." :huh:
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Re: Awful Voices Thread

Post by matedog » 26 Oct 2017, 3:42pm

Lou Reed has a pretty bad voice, though I freaking love it.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Re: Awful Voices Thread

Post by matedog » 26 Oct 2017, 3:45pm

101Walterton wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 3:40pm
matedog wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 3:29pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 1:20pm
I don't like Jagger's voice, but I wouldn't call it awful either (he doesn't kill Stones songs for me, but he doesn't help things along).
There's a weird appeal to Jagger's voice for me. However, Keith's lead vocals have always been god damn atrocious to me. How is "Happy" considered a good song by anyone? Yet it's apparently worthy of all of their best of comps. Any lead of his is an automatic skip for me. "You Got the Silver", ugh.
Interested to know what you think of Guiding Light - Television?
Never heard it before. Vocals are okay, not particularly good.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Re: Awful Voices Thread

Post by 101Walterton » 26 Oct 2017, 3:51pm

matedog wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 3:45pm
101Walterton wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 3:40pm
matedog wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 3:29pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 1:20pm
I don't like Jagger's voice, but I wouldn't call it awful either (he doesn't kill Stones songs for me, but he doesn't help things along).
There's a weird appeal to Jagger's voice for me. However, Keith's lead vocals have always been god damn atrocious to me. How is "Happy" considered a good song by anyone? Yet it's apparently worthy of all of their best of comps. Any lead of his is an automatic skip for me. "You Got the Silver", ugh.
Interested to know what you think of Guiding Light - Television?
Never heard it before. Vocals are okay, not particularly good.
But the song is still perfect!

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Re: Awful Voices Thread

Post by matedog » 26 Oct 2017, 3:53pm

101Walterton wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 3:51pm
matedog wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 3:45pm
101Walterton wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 3:40pm
matedog wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 3:29pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 1:20pm
I don't like Jagger's voice, but I wouldn't call it awful either (he doesn't kill Stones songs for me, but he doesn't help things along).
There's a weird appeal to Jagger's voice for me. However, Keith's lead vocals have always been god damn atrocious to me. How is "Happy" considered a good song by anyone? Yet it's apparently worthy of all of their best of comps. Any lead of his is an automatic skip for me. "You Got the Silver", ugh.
Interested to know what you think of Guiding Light - Television?
Never heard it before. Vocals are okay, not particularly good.
But the song is still perfect!
So? Rudie Can't Fail is still probably in my top 5 favorite songs of all time.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Re: Awful Voices Thread

Post by Heston » 26 Oct 2017, 3:53pm

matedog wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 3:41pm
Heston wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 3:34pm
matedog wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 3:27pm
Whitney was never that bad
The "me" in "I Wanna Dance With Somebody Who Loves Me" has about 8 notes in one second.
I'm only hearing one note in "me." :huh:
1 min 59

So what does Marconi playing the mamba mean? "Marconi" is referring to the radio itself. It plays a deadly snake. The snake - the mamba - is slithering from the speakers. Ready to kill greedy corporations. Ready to free the world of all that is evil, and to leave behind only the youthful idealism encompassed by the tenets of rock and roll.

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