They were getting to be masters of relinquishing any responsibility for the show at all. Armin Tamzarian is evidence enough....started to feel more and more like the show claiming a moral superiority that preemptively absolved it from any criticism.
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I get why people hate the Armin Tamzarian episode, but there's such a joyous fucked-uppery to it, complete with a moronic status quo ante conclusion, that I love it. It also had echoes of Spider-man's second clone saga to it, reinforcing how messed up that was.
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I don't hate the Tamzarian episode, mainly for the same reasons as you—but I DID hate the clone saga. Fuck that shit.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑09 Aug 2017, 2:04pmI get why people hate the Armin Tamzarian episode, but there's such a joyous fucked-uppery to it, complete with a moronic status quo ante conclusion, that I love it. It also had echoes of Spider-man's second clone saga to it, reinforcing how messed up that was.
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I grew to like the Ben Reilly character, but that was in spite of the editorially cintrived narrative. (He's back, btw, but on the villainish side.)Kory wrote: ↑09 Aug 2017, 2:06pmI don't hate the Tamzarian episode, mainly for the same reasons as you—but I DID hate the clone saga. Fuck that shit.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑09 Aug 2017, 2:04pmI get why people hate the Armin Tamzarian episode, but there's such a joyous fucked-uppery to it, complete with a moronic status quo ante conclusion, that I love it. It also had echoes of Spider-man's second clone saga to it, reinforcing how messed up that was.
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Yeah Ben was ok. He played a role in the New Warriors for a while, so I got to read him outside the context of SM. But fuck that fucking piece of shit storyline. It made my heart Marvel's plaything and turned me off spandex comics for 20 years.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑09 Aug 2017, 2:10pmI grew to like the Ben Reilly character, but that was in spite of the editorially cintrived narrative. (He's back, btw, but on the villainish side.)Kory wrote: ↑09 Aug 2017, 2:06pmI don't hate the Tamzarian episode, mainly for the same reasons as you—but I DID hate the clone saga. Fuck that shit.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑09 Aug 2017, 2:04pmI get why people hate the Armin Tamzarian episode, but there's such a joyous fucked-uppery to it, complete with a moronic status quo ante conclusion, that I love it. It also had echoes of Spider-man's second clone saga to it, reinforcing how messed up that was.
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Weirdly, it brought me back. I had quit comics in the mid 80s—pretty much when I found punk—and was in grad school when I heard about this huge controversial story, so I checked it out and ended up getting hooked in spite of it all.Kory wrote: ↑09 Aug 2017, 2:15pmYeah Ben was ok. He played a role in the New Warriors for a while, so I got to read him outside the context of SM. But fuck that fucking piece of shit storyline. It made my heart Marvel's plaything and turned me off spandex comics for 20 years.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑09 Aug 2017, 2:10pmI grew to like the Ben Reilly character, but that was in spite of the editorially cintrived narrative. (He's back, btw, but on the villainish side.)Kory wrote: ↑09 Aug 2017, 2:06pmI don't hate the Tamzarian episode, mainly for the same reasons as you—but I DID hate the clone saga. Fuck that shit.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑09 Aug 2017, 2:04pmI get why people hate the Armin Tamzarian episode, but there's such a joyous fucked-uppery to it, complete with a moronic status quo ante conclusion, that I love it. It also had echoes of Spider-man's second clone saga to it, reinforcing how messed up that was.
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I was 11 at the time so I felt manipulated—my little boy emotions were fragile. It was at the tail-end of a lot of stories that I thought showed they were really running out ideas already. Plus I thought the writing itself was corny. I was into Cerebus by this time, so was getting a taste of writing that reflected how people actually talk to one another.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑09 Aug 2017, 2:24pmWeirdly, it brought me back. I had quit comics in the mid 80s—pretty much when I found punk—and was in grad school when I heard about this huge controversial story, so I checked it out and ended up getting hooked in spite of it all.Kory wrote: ↑09 Aug 2017, 2:15pmYeah Ben was ok. He played a role in the New Warriors for a while, so I got to read him outside the context of SM. But fuck that fucking piece of shit storyline. It made my heart Marvel's plaything and turned me off spandex comics for 20 years.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑09 Aug 2017, 2:10pmI grew to like the Ben Reilly character, but that was in spite of the editorially cintrived narrative. (He's back, btw, but on the villainish side.)Kory wrote: ↑09 Aug 2017, 2:06pmI don't hate the Tamzarian episode, mainly for the same reasons as you—but I DID hate the clone saga. Fuck that shit.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑09 Aug 2017, 2:04pm
I get why people hate the Armin Tamzarian episode, but there's such a joyous fucked-uppery to it, complete with a moronic status quo ante conclusion, that I love it. It also had echoes of Spider-man's second clone saga to it, reinforcing how messed up that was.
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Having the clone survive and return was a neat idea, but, holy macaroni, how it was stretched, distorted, and allowed to rot was a wonderful case study of how awful Marvel was. There was a long blog series shortly after it was done by one of the assistant editors that provided an insider account of how fucked up a simple and fairly short story was turned into something pretty much everyone hated.Kory wrote: ↑09 Aug 2017, 2:30pmI was 11 at the time so I felt manipulated—my little boy emotions were fragile. It was at the tail-end of a lot of stories that I thought showed they were really running out ideas already. Plus I thought the writing itself was corny. I was into Cerebus by this time, so was getting a taste of writing that reflected how people actually talk to one another.
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Yeah, it lasted like two years or something, right? Storytelling by committee.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑09 Aug 2017, 2:58pmHaving the clone survive and return was a neat idea, but, holy macaroni, how it was stretched, distorted, and allowed to rot was a wonderful case study of how awful Marvel was. There was a long blog series shortly after it was done by one of the assistant editors that provided an insider account of how fucked up a simple and fairly short story was turned into something pretty much everyone hated.Kory wrote: ↑09 Aug 2017, 2:30pmI was 11 at the time so I felt manipulated—my little boy emotions were fragile. It was at the tail-end of a lot of stories that I thought showed they were really running out ideas already. Plus I thought the writing itself was corny. I was into Cerebus by this time, so was getting a taste of writing that reflected how people actually talk to one another.
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Wikipedia shows it as just over 2 years, but, fuck, it seemed like 5.Kory wrote: ↑09 Aug 2017, 3:15pmYeah, it lasted like two years or something, right? Storytelling by committee.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑09 Aug 2017, 2:58pmHaving the clone survive and return was a neat idea, but, holy macaroni, how it was stretched, distorted, and allowed to rot was a wonderful case study of how awful Marvel was. There was a long blog series shortly after it was done by one of the assistant editors that provided an insider account of how fucked up a simple and fairly short story was turned into something pretty much everyone hated.Kory wrote: ↑09 Aug 2017, 2:30pmI was 11 at the time so I felt manipulated—my little boy emotions were fragile. It was at the tail-end of a lot of stories that I thought showed they were really running out ideas already. Plus I thought the writing itself was corny. I was into Cerebus by this time, so was getting a taste of writing that reflected how people actually talk to one another.
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I heard about that a few days ago and will certainly check it out. I've wondered from time to time whether The Simpsons got away with a lot of that because it was, on the whole, so damned funny and sharp. We tend to make exceptions for those whose work we adore when, in other people it would be quick condemnation.
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61 and I was proud of some of the very obscure ones.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑13 Aug 2017, 8:50amhttps://www.sporcle.com/games/Electrica ... cture_quiz
Tough Simpsons identification quiz on minor characters. I got 50/96, but I recognized almost all of them—just couldn't retrieve their names (tho in some cases they have no names, just descriptors).