A left-libertarian on Glenn Beck?

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eumaas wrote:Some idiot libertarian who clearly hasn't read Wittgenstein is bashing him on Facebook. I guarantee you this guy is a Randian.
Same person (a she, actually), just compared Zinn to the Nazis.
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eumaas wrote:
eumaas wrote:Some idiot libertarian who clearly hasn't read Wittgenstein is bashing him on Facebook. I guarantee you this guy is a Randian.
Same person (a she, actually), just compared Zinn to the Nazis.
Oh for fuck's sake. There is pretty much no way to be further away from Nazi than left-libertarian/anarchist.
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Wolter wrote:
eumaas wrote:
eumaas wrote:Some idiot libertarian who clearly hasn't read Wittgenstein is bashing him on Facebook. I guarantee you this guy is a Randian.
Same person (a she, actually), just compared Zinn to the Nazis.
Oh for fuck's sake. There is pretty much no way to be further away from Nazi than left-libertarian/anarchist.
She wrote this book:


She thinks Wittgenstein was an idealist/skepticist. Combine those two views and there's someone whose opinions I do not respect at all.
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eumaas wrote:She wrote this book:


She thinks Wittgenstein was an idealist/skepticist. Combine those two views and there's someone whose opinions I do not respect at all.
That book looks like a load of garbage and the Wittgenstein stuff is totally off.

Comparing Zinn to a Nazi really pisses me off.
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Flex wrote:
eumaas wrote:She wrote this book:


She thinks Wittgenstein was an idealist/skepticist. Combine those two views and there's someone whose opinions I do not respect at all.
That book looks like a load of garbage and the Wittgenstein stuff is totally off.

Comparing Zinn to a Nazi really pisses me off.
Same person:
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=285394900561
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Flex wrote:That book looks like a load of garbage and the Wittgenstein stuff is totally off.
If anything her version of naive realism is closer to idealism than Wittgenstein. In her view a chair is a chair whether people exist or not. But as an object defined by its use, I can't see how that object would be a chair if there were no users--it presupposes chair as a human-independent concept. Seems more like Platonist idealism to me.
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Flex wrote:Comparing Zinn to a Nazi really pisses me off.
The way I see Zinn and Chomsky being related to each other is where their anti-American interpretation of history to a significant extent depends upon their socialism being right. The question of who are the good guys and the bad guys in American history, and the question of who is aggressing and who is defending, cannot be independent of the question of whether socialism is right and good and true and works. Here's why:

When the cops arrive on the scene of a mugging which has turned fistfight, they cannot decide who the criminal is, and who the righteous victim, until they establish who rightfully owns the wallet.

If Marx is right that profit and interest are unjust and exploitative, if Proudhon is correct that property is theft, then this makes every commie in history a good guy, and it justifies their crimes. If, on the other hand, they're wrong and Mises is right, that whole picture turns justice on its head.

Example: the Opium War. If Chinese customers had a right to buy opium, then the British imperialist warships were the righteous liberators, and the Chinese officials were the aggressors.

With wars, you can't just be "anti-war" and rise above it all, unless you're going to embrace an absolute total pacifism, to the extent you'll let somebody kidnap your kid rather than raise a hand, then you can't avoid such questions of offense and defense.
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I can't even follow that train of logic.
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Flex wrote:I can't even follow that train of logic.
She follows a dictionary-based line of reasoning where concepts are only what the dictionary happens to list and not what historical background or any other context might lead you to believe.
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An old one, but Kinsella gets a new asshole:
http://bradspangler.com/blog/archives/1212
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A libertarian anarchist on facebook just referred to anarcho-communists as "Trotskyite anarchists." Jesus fucking christ, the ignorance of your average anarcho-capitalist is fucking staggering. All it takes is less than a half-hour of reading on wikipedia.
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eumaas wrote:A libertarian anarchist on facebook just referred to anarcho-communists as "Trotskyite anarchists." Jesus fucking christ, the ignorance of your average anarcho-capitalist is fucking staggering. All it takes is less than a half-hour of reading on wikipedia.
I can't even fathom how that would work.
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Wolter wrote:
eumaas wrote:A libertarian anarchist on facebook just referred to anarcho-communists as "Trotskyite anarchists." Jesus fucking christ, the ignorance of your average anarcho-capitalist is fucking staggering. All it takes is less than a half-hour of reading on wikipedia.
I can't even fathom how that would work.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
Wolter wrote:
eumaas wrote:A libertarian anarchist on facebook just referred to anarcho-communists as "Trotskyite anarchists." Jesus fucking christ, the ignorance of your average anarcho-capitalist is fucking staggering. All it takes is less than a half-hour of reading on wikipedia.
I can't even fathom how that would work.
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