No. 10, Upping St.

[Marky Dread]

I think Rock Hudson dying was actually the moment when everyone began to take notice.

This is true. It took a celebrity dying to make it real to the media. Prior to that, it was just a bunch of unknown homosexual deviants. But now it was someone whom so many thought was both heterosexual and a sex symbol. Actually rather telling about how things become "real" via the media.

This was the real shock for a lot of people that Rock was a Hollywood hearthob who had hid his sexuality.

As I recall, it was also a weird moment for the Reagans, who were friends with Rock Hudson, but were conspicuously unsympathetic to other AIDS victims. But then they were always good at employing a double standard for themselves and their friends versus everyone else.

This is why I think it's hilarious that everyone panicking about Ebola is criticizing Obama for his lack of action. It took St. Ronnie what, six years to even mention AIDS? And it was actually something people needed to be genuinely afraid of getting, unlike Ebola.

Well you can of course die from both. But it was appalling how Aids was initially handled.

[JennyB]

This is true. It took a celebrity dying to make it real to the media. Prior to that, it was just a bunch of unknown homosexual deviants. But now it was someone whom so many thought was both heterosexual and a sex symbol. Actually rather telling about how things become "real" via the media.

This was the real shock for a lot of people that Rock was a Hollywood hearthob who had hid his sexuality.

As I recall, it was also a weird moment for the Reagans, who were friends with Rock Hudson, but were conspicuously unsympathetic to other AIDS victims. But then they were always good at employing a double standard for themselves and their friends versus everyone else.

This is why I think it's hilarious that everyone panicking about Ebola is criticizing Obama for his lack of action. It took St. Ronnie what, six years to even mention AIDS? And it was actually something people needed to be genuinely afraid of getting, unlike Ebola.

Well you can of course die from both. But it was appalling how Aids was initially handled.

Right. I meant the average person in the US is not likely to contact Ebola.

[Marky Dread]

This was the real shock for a lot of people that Rock was a Hollywood hearthob who had hid his sexuality.

As I recall, it was also a weird moment for the Reagans, who were friends with Rock Hudson, but were conspicuously unsympathetic to other AIDS victims. But then they were always good at employing a double standard for themselves and their friends versus everyone else.

This is why I think it's hilarious that everyone panicking about Ebola is criticizing Obama for his lack of action. It took St. Ronnie what, six years to even mention AIDS? And it was actually something people needed to be genuinely afraid of getting, unlike Ebola.

Well you can of course die from both. But it was appalling how Aids was initially handled.

Right. I meant the average person in the US is not likely to contact Ebola.

Yep for sure way more risk of contacting Aids. The scare here in the UK was way over the top with Tv adverts running daily. Of course awareness is vital but you are just as likely to be hit by a bus. Practice safe sex and practice your highway code kids.

[Marky Dread]

So the question: Is No. 10 Upping St. the sixth Clash album or is Combat Rock the first B.A.D album?

[Dr. Medulla]

So the question: Is No. 10 Upping St. the sixth Clash album or is Combat Rock the first B.A.D album?

The boring and pedantic answer is neither, but I find it easier to see No. 10 as what might have been a Clash album had Mick not been booted and allowed to set the tone going forward. And it assumes that Topper is still out of the group, allowing for the fantastic signature percussion of early BAD. I just don't hear a lot of BAD in Combat Rock (save for a couple songs, like OBF).

[Marky Dread]

So the question: Is No. 10 Upping St. the sixth Clash album or is Combat Rock the first B.A.D album?

The boring and pedantic answer is neither, but I find it easier to see No. 10 as what might have been a Clash album had Mick not been booted and allowed to set the tone going forward. And it assumes that Topper is still out of the group, allowing for the fantastic signature percussion of early BAD. I just don't hear a lot of BAD in Combat Rock (save for a couple songs, like OBF).

Fair enough. I hear B.A.D. ideas in the 2000 flushes sample on Innoculated City and the watch ringtone samples on Rock the Casbah. All the CR B-sides sound like B.A.D. tracks I can almost hear Don singing on First Night Back In London.

[Dr. Medulla]

So the question: Is No. 10 Upping St. the sixth Clash album or is Combat Rock the first B.A.D album?

The boring and pedantic answer is neither, but I find it easier to see No. 10 as what might have been a Clash album had Mick not been booted and allowed to set the tone going forward. And it assumes that Topper is still out of the group, allowing for the fantastic signature percussion of early BAD. I just don't hear a lot of BAD in Combat Rock (save for a couple songs, like OBF).

Fair enough. I hear B.A.D. ideas in the 2000 flushes sample on Innoculated City and the watch ringtone samples on Rock the Casbah. All the CR B-sides sound like B.A.D. tracks I can almost hear Don singing on First Night Back In London.

Hmm, perhaps, still too rudimentary for me to really be persuaded. I'll grant the Mustapha Dance remix of Casbah, tho, but don't know who was responsible for it.

[Marky Dread]

So the question: Is No. 10 Upping St. the sixth Clash album or is Combat Rock the first B.A.D album?

The boring and pedantic answer is neither, but I find it easier to see No. 10 as what might have been a Clash album had Mick not been booted and allowed to set the tone going forward. And it assumes that Topper is still out of the group, allowing for the fantastic signature percussion of early BAD. I just don't hear a lot of BAD in Combat Rock (save for a couple songs, like OBF).

Fair enough. I hear B.A.D. ideas in the 2000 flushes sample on Innoculated City and the watch ringtone samples on Rock the Casbah. All the CR B-sides sound like B.A.D. tracks I can almost hear Don singing on First Night Back In London.

Hmm, perhaps, still too rudimentary for me to really be persuaded. I'll grant the Mustapha Dance remix of Casbah, tho, but don't know who was responsible for it.

Engineer – Bob Clearmountain - Producer – Mick Jones.

[Dr. Medulla]

So the question: Is No. 10 Upping St. the sixth Clash album or is Combat Rock the first B.A.D album?

The boring and pedantic answer is neither, but I find it easier to see No. 10 as what might have been a Clash album had Mick not been booted and allowed to set the tone going forward. And it assumes that Topper is still out of the group, allowing for the fantastic signature percussion of early BAD. I just don't hear a lot of BAD in Combat Rock (save for a couple songs, like OBF).

Fair enough. I hear B.A.D. ideas in the 2000 flushes sample on Innoculated City and the watch ringtone samples on Rock the Casbah. All the CR B-sides sound like B.A.D. tracks I can almost hear Don singing on First Night Back In London.

Hmm, perhaps, still too rudimentary for me to really be persuaded. I'll grant the Mustapha Dance remix of Casbah, tho, but don't know who was responsible for it.

Engineer – Bob Clearmountain - Producer – Mick Jones.

So how does that work with remixes (forgive my dopery)? Is it the engineer who is doing the work with the producer signing off or is it mainly the producer driving the remix?

[Marky Dread]

The boring and pedantic answer is neither, but I find it easier to see No. 10 as what might have been a Clash album had Mick not been booted and allowed to set the tone going forward. And it assumes that Topper is still out of the group, allowing for the fantastic signature percussion of early BAD. I just don't hear a lot of BAD in Combat Rock (save for a couple songs, like OBF).

Fair enough. I hear B.A.D. ideas in the 2000 flushes sample on Innoculated City and the watch ringtone samples on Rock the Casbah. All the CR B-sides sound like B.A.D. tracks I can almost hear Don singing on First Night Back In London.

Hmm, perhaps, still too rudimentary for me to really be persuaded. I'll grant the Mustapha Dance remix of Casbah, tho, but don't know who was responsible for it.

Engineer – Bob Clearmountain - Producer – Mick Jones.

So how does that work with remixes (forgive my dopery)? Is it the engineer who is doing the work with the producer signing off or is it mainly the producer driving the remix?

Bit of both really. The RtC version on the Sound System box was called (Bob Clearmountain 12" mix) . I think Mick was more (instrumental) in the Mustapha Dance Mix.

[Dr. Medulla]

Fair enough. I hear B.A.D. ideas in the 2000 flushes sample on Innoculated City and the watch ringtone samples on Rock the Casbah. All the CR B-sides sound like B.A.D. tracks I can almost hear Don singing on First Night Back In London.

Hmm, perhaps, still too rudimentary for me to really be persuaded. I'll grant the Mustapha Dance remix of Casbah, tho, but don't know who was responsible for it.

Engineer – Bob Clearmountain - Producer – Mick Jones.

So how does that work with remixes (forgive my dopery)? Is it the engineer who is doing the work with the producer signing off or is it mainly the producer driving the remix?

Bit of both really. The RtC version on the Sound System box was called (Bob Clearmountain 12" mix) . I think Mick was more (instrumental) in the Mustapha Dance Mix.

Ah, okay. Thanks. Mustapha is a damned solid remix.

[Marky Dread]

Hmm, perhaps, still too rudimentary for me to really be persuaded. I'll grant the Mustapha Dance remix of Casbah, tho, but don't know who was responsible for it.

Engineer – Bob Clearmountain - Producer – Mick Jones.

So how does that work with remixes (forgive my dopery)? Is it the engineer who is doing the work with the producer signing off or is it mainly the producer driving the remix?

Bit of both really. The RtC version on the Sound System box was called (Bob Clearmountain 12" mix) . I think Mick was more (instrumental) in the Mustapha Dance Mix.

Ah, okay. Thanks. Mustapha is a damned solid remix.

Yes it is really good and another good one is The Cool Out. That mix has much more life than the album and single mix which is a great track but it just sounds flat by comparison.

[101Walterton]

Listening to Combat Rock and Innoculated City is a BAD track.

[dave202]

As I recall, it was also a weird moment for the Reagans, who were friends with Rock Hudson, but were conspicuously unsympathetic to other AIDS victims. But then they were always good at employing a double standard for themselves and their friends versus everyone else.

This is why I think it's hilarious that everyone panicking about Ebola is criticizing Obama for his lack of action. It took St. Ronnie what, six years to even mention AIDS? And it was actually something people needed to be genuinely afraid of getting, unlike Ebola.

Well you can of course die from both. But it was appalling how Aids was initially handled.

Right. I meant the average person in the US is not likely to contact Ebola.

Yep for sure way more risk of contacting Aids. The scare here in the UK was way over the top with Tv adverts running daily. Of course awareness is vital but you are just as likely to be hit by a bus. Practice safe sex and practice your highway code kids.

And "Clunk Click, every trip," as Jimmy Saville O.B.E. used to say.

[Marky Dread]

This is why I think it's hilarious that everyone panicking about Ebola is criticizing Obama for his lack of action. It took St. Ronnie what, six years to even mention AIDS? And it was actually something people needed to be genuinely afraid of getting, unlike Ebola.

Well you can of course die from both. But it was appalling how Aids was initially handled.

Right. I meant the average person in the US is not likely to contact Ebola.

Yep for sure way more risk of contacting Aids. The scare here in the UK was way over the top with Tv adverts running daily. Of course awareness is vital but you are just as likely to be hit by a bus. Practice safe sex and practice your highway code kids.

And "Clunk Click, every trip," as Jimmy Saville O.B.E. used to say.

I'd've liked to have clunk clicked him on the head with a heavy object and then said fix that you fucker!