I expect it's a nod to The Beatles "Revolution No.9" from the White Album.MarkyJacobs wrote: ↑09 Sep 2017, 12:05amLarry Levan used to play records (or parts of records) backwards at the Paradise Garage in New York. I was once shown the technique he used. It involved balancing and weighting the record on a paper cup and playing the underside by turning the cartridge head upside down.
Did this influence The Clash's decision to have a backwards track on Sandinista? Probably not. But I do think Mensforth Hill kind of works. It feels very much part of the album to me.
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Sorry, I really don't understand how anyone can sit down and listen to Mensforth Hill. The only time I've heard it used effectively was in Westway to the World as a soundtrack piece.
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I like it. However some time ago I reversed it and prefer it. On headphones it's an interesting listen to hear the soundbites and chatter from the S! sessions.
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On a tangent Isn't it:-
'Micky Mouse don't drop his pants'
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'Micky Mouse don't drop his pants'
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Yes but Mick sometimes changed it live.
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Seems more likely. I'm afraid my knowledge of backwards playing music is somewhat limited.Marky Dread wrote: ↑09 Sep 2017, 3:50am
I expect it's a nod to The Beatles "Revolution No.9" from the White Album.
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3 card trick: Mensforth Hill; Junkie Slip; Kingston Advice...
Works superbly. You need music to makes you feel uncomfortable sometimes.
In fact, when you add Charlie Don't Surf as an opener and Street Parade as a climax, it's a sublime side of vinyl.
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The other songs you mentioned are real songs, not some self indulgent piffle. I like a lot of "uncomfortable" music but just playing a song backwards and adding some chatter isn't great to me.MarkyJacobs wrote: ↑09 Sep 2017, 6:04pm
3 card trick: Mensforth Hill; Junkie Slip; Kingston Advice...
Works superbly. You need music to makes you feel uncomfortable sometimes.
In fact, when you add Charlie Don't Surf as an opener and Street Parade as a climax, it's a sublime side of vinyl.
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I agree that it was a wasted track on S!. I've grown to enjoy it over the years though and it still intrigues me. I know it's a silly track and the samples are not even well thought out as a collage piece it's really lazy and just thrown together. What irked me was here was this prollific group trying to fill out 36 tracks when they were capable of so much more. Another cover version or even add a different take of Bankrobber but that wasn't the Clash way.Heston wrote: ↑09 Sep 2017, 6:29pmThe other songs you mentioned are real songs, not some self indulgent piffle. I like a lot of "uncomfortable" music but just playing a song backwards and adding some chatter isn't great to me.MarkyJacobs wrote: ↑09 Sep 2017, 6:04pm
3 card trick: Mensforth Hill; Junkie Slip; Kingston Advice...
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In fact, when you add Charlie Don't Surf as an opener and Street Parade as a climax, it's a sublime side of vinyl.
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That is the problems Madness have trying to decide what goes on an album when every member of the band writes. Obviously some are better than others and it is noticeable in the tracks.Heston wrote: ↑08 Sep 2017, 7:55pmI personally think the writers should be paid for the writing and the performers paid for the performing but I can see how bones of contention may occur.Low Down Low wrote: ↑08 Sep 2017, 7:43amI'd like them to have been a collective credit band, I'm surprised they wouldn't have been from the beginning, though maybe that's just a naive and idealistic view of things.
To try and get round it and to have less arguments the writer gets 50% royalties and the other 50% split between the band. That way you don't have to get your track included to get royalties.
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Best example here (at 4:47)
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Oh shit. I'm agreeing with Heston again.Heston wrote: ↑09 Sep 2017, 6:29pmThe other songs you mentioned are real songs, not some self indulgent piffle. I like a lot of "uncomfortable" music but just playing a song backwards and adding some chatter isn't great to me.MarkyJacobs wrote: ↑09 Sep 2017, 6:04pm
3 card trick: Mensforth Hill; Junkie Slip; Kingston Advice...
Works superbly. You need music to makes you feel uncomfortable sometimes.
In fact, when you add Charlie Don't Surf as an opener and Street Parade as a climax, it's a sublime side of vinyl.
The only time it really ever worked for me was also on Westway.
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Think I forgot Lose This Skin.
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Wolter wrote: ↑10 Sep 2017, 1:37amOh shit. I'm agreeing with Heston again.Heston wrote: ↑09 Sep 2017, 6:29pmThe other songs you mentioned are real songs, not some self indulgent piffle. I like a lot of "uncomfortable" music but just playing a song backwards and adding some chatter isn't great to me.MarkyJacobs wrote: ↑09 Sep 2017, 6:04pm
3 card trick: Mensforth Hill; Junkie Slip; Kingston Advice...
Works superbly. You need music to makes you feel uncomfortable sometimes.
In fact, when you add Charlie Don't Surf as an opener and Street Parade as a climax, it's a sublime side of vinyl.
The only time it really ever worked for me was also on Westway.
Yep I guess as it was written for an imaginary Tv theme that's how it would work best.
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