Carbon Silicon

Mick Jones, Carbon/Silicon, BAD and cetera.
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Re: Carbon Silicon

Post by BitterTom » 01 Nov 2015, 9:01am

Heston wrote:
BitterTom wrote:I need to listen to more Carbon/Silicone really, the only song of theirs I have is pier 51 and it is such a fantastic tune, what others would you recommend?
Why Do Men Fight
Magic Suitcase
Gangs of England
Why Do Men Fight - great opening, song has a great energy that continues throughout, cracking song.

Magic Suitcase - solid song, nice tune and liked the vocals, nice little solo in there too, very good.

Gangs Of England - fairly hard hitting, good chorus and the overall tune is good, not quite as good I feel as the other two but nevertheless a good number.

Must listen to more, cheers mate!

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Re: Carbon Silicon

Post by drowninghere » 01 Nov 2015, 12:04pm

BitterTom wrote:
Heston wrote:
BitterTom wrote:I need to listen to more Carbon/Silicone really, the only song of theirs I have is pier 51 and it is such a fantastic tune, what others would you recommend?
Why Do Men Fight
Magic Suitcase
Gangs of England
Why Do Men Fight - great opening, song has a great energy that continues throughout, cracking song.

Magic Suitcase - solid song, nice tune and liked the vocals, nice little solo in there too, very good.

Gangs Of England - fairly hard hitting, good chorus and the overall tune is good, not quite as good I feel as the other two but nevertheless a good number.

Must listen to more, cheers mate!
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Re: Carbon Silicon

Post by NoMoreHugh » 15 Nov 2015, 11:14am

TeddyB Not Logged In wrote:So many excellent, ridiculously underrated songs up until then, but Carbon Bubble was comparatively weak save The Best Man. Mick just wasn't able to put in the creative effort for various reasons and Tony was left to carry too much weight.
I agree but I liked Carbon Bubble. I did like how Super Paradise Beach's guitar riff managed to get on that album even though the song never managed to make a proper release its self.

SPB, mpfree, Pres warfield,Night club Etiquette and the poppy version of Be good to yourself too many to mention them all. To think these great songs never made a CD version but given away free was an amazing journey that most enjoyed.

We are not used to getting stuff free and i think its human nature not to value something if we dont pay for it. No such thing as a free lunch ? possibly some got belly ache from too much consuming.

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Re: Carbon Silicon

Post by Marky Dread » 15 Nov 2015, 11:45am

NoMoreHugh wrote:
TeddyB Not Logged In wrote:So many excellent, ridiculously underrated songs up until then, but Carbon Bubble was comparatively weak save The Best Man. Mick just wasn't able to put in the creative effort for various reasons and Tony was left to carry too much weight.
I agree but I liked Carbon Bubble. I did like how Super Paradise Beach's guitar riff managed to get on that album even though the song never managed to make a proper release its self.

SPB, mpfree, Pres warfield,Night club Etiquette and the poppy version of Be good to yourself too many to mention them all. To think these great songs never made a CD version but given away free was an amazing journey that most enjoyed.

We are not used to getting stuff free and i think its human nature not to value something if we dont pay for it. No such thing as a free lunch ? possibly some got belly ache from too much consuming.
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Re: Carbon Silicon

Post by Chuck Mangione » 30 Jan 2016, 8:10pm

Filmed for Levi's at the 2008 FADER Fort, Mick Jones and Tony James tell the story of an epic invite to an epic party in Late-1970s London.

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Re: Carbon Silicon

Post by BR16ADE_R055E » 30 Jan 2016, 10:36pm

Chuck Mangione wrote:
Filmed for Levi's at the 2008 FADER Fort, Mick Jones and Tony James tell the story of an epic invite to an epic party in Late-1970s London.
Nice find. Thanks.

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Re: Carbon Silicon

Post by River » 31 Jan 2016, 1:09am

BR16ADE_R055E wrote:
Chuck Mangione wrote:
Filmed for Levi's at the 2008 FADER Fort, Mick Jones and Tony James tell the story of an epic invite to an epic party in Late-1970s London.
Nice find. Thanks.
Jesus, thats quite the story there. Thanks for finding this.

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Re: Carbon Silicon

Post by NoMoreHugh » 31 Jan 2016, 2:58pm

Probably explains this die hard carbon silicon demo


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Re: Carbon Silicon

Post by Chuck Mangione » 12 Mar 2016, 8:27pm

NoMoreHugh wrote:Probably explains this die hard carbon silicon demo

"That's As Good As It Gets" too, possibly (Jack's film As Good As It Gets).

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Re: Carbon Silicon

Post by NoMoreHugh » 19 Nov 2016, 6:54am

Marky Dread wrote:
TeddyB Not Logged In wrote:So many excellent, ridiculously underrated songs up until then, but Carbon Bubble was comparatively weak save The Best Man. Mick just wasn't able to put in the creative effort for various reasons and Tony was left to carry too much weight.
Yes agreed.

"The Last Post" is a great album and gets regular plays here.
Bump

I have been listening to Last Post this morning and it is brilliant still sounds good.
The only thing i dont like is that its too polished for me but thats personal to my preference and not a fault with the album. I remember that Bill Price didn't have to change very much in the production as Mick had previously perfected the finished studio versions so well.

A definite disappointment for me was the use of a drum machine i always cant understand how a R&R band can underestimate the importance of the use of real drums. The drum Machine sounds too perfect you need the slight flaws of a real drummer going in and out of time as this whats makes a song breathe and creates the excitement of a song.
The older studio demos with drums gave Carbon Silicon a whole different sound a lot more exciting to listen too.
Take the clash and the perfect production of London Calling this example captures what i am talking about it can be polished but not lose the spontaneity of the live sound. I'm just a little surprised that Mick and Tony just underestimate this important feature of Rock and Roll.

Still enjoying the listen though.

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Re: Carbon Silicon

Post by Heston » 19 Nov 2016, 9:22am

NoMoreHugh wrote:
Marky Dread wrote:
TeddyB Not Logged In wrote:So many excellent, ridiculously underrated songs up until then, but Carbon Bubble was comparatively weak save The Best Man. Mick just wasn't able to put in the creative effort for various reasons and Tony was left to carry too much weight.
Yes agreed.

"The Last Post" is a great album and gets regular plays here.
Bump

I have been listening to Last Post this morning and it is brilliant still sounds good.
The only thing i dont like is that its too polished for me but thats personal to my preference and not a fault with the album. I remember that Bill Price didn't have to change very much in the production as Mick had previously perfected the finished studio versions so well.

A definite disappointment for me was the use of a drum machine i always cant understand how a R&R band can underestimate the importance of the use of real drums. The drum Machine sounds too perfect you need the slight flaws of a real drummer going in and out of time as this whats makes a song breathe and creates the excitement of a song.
The older studio demos with drums gave Carbon Silicon a whole different sound a lot more exciting to listen too.
Take the clash and the perfect production of London Calling this example captures what i am talking about it can be polished but not lose the spontaneity of the live sound. I'm just a little surprised that Mick and Tony just underestimate this important feature of Rock and Roll.

Still enjoying the listen though.
Said this for years about the drums. It's not as if they couldn't have had their pick of great drummers. That drum machine ruined a lot of potentially great songs.
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Re: Carbon Silicon

Post by MarkyJacobs » 19 Nov 2016, 1:38pm

TeddyB Not Logged In wrote:So many excellent, ridiculously underrated songs up until then, but Carbon Bubble was comparatively weak save The Best Man. Mick just wasn't able to put in the creative effort for various reasons and Tony was left to carry too much weight.
Dis-United Kingdom is a cracking song. Up there with the best rhat they did.

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Re: Carbon Silicon

Post by bazarboy75 » 19 Nov 2016, 5:54pm

"best man" that a great track
when i saw them live late 2008 "party world" was a highlight !
but the demo version is a bit lame...
Some new INDIEGROUND tracks

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Some old tracks
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Re: Carbon Silicon

Post by TeddyB Not Logged In » 20 Nov 2016, 6:53pm

I think The Best Man is the best track on Carbon Bubble. I'm not sure that Mick and Tony didn't use a live drummer in the studio in the long run because they didn't rate the importance. First, they had personal/contractual/artistic differences with the two live drummers they did try first (Ruffy and Danny). They also tried cutting an album with Danny and William, which Mick found unsatisfactory, aside from the contractual demands. Dominic was great, but he wasn't available to just hang around on a continuing basis. I think it eventually became more a matter of being able to go into the bunker and experiment and record without having to deal with other people, either in terms of schedule or conflict. And, money.

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Re: Carbon Silicon

Post by bazarboy75 » 01 Mar 2017, 2:55pm

About the Best man

in my last radio show i took the liberty to remix it a bit
and did some edition too
You can listen to the result at 41'20"

Some new INDIEGROUND tracks

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