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Rat Patrol reconstruction

Post by appleseed » 06 Dec 2014, 10:19pm

Here's a new Rat Patrol reconstruction. I doubt there'll be any new material to any board regulars, but it's worth a look. I just stumbled across it and am downloading it now.

This guy does great reconstructions of lost or unreleased albums. I've gotten some excellent ones by Dylan, the Who and the Beach Boys from his site.

http://albumsthatneverwere.blogspot.com ... bragg.html

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Re: Rat Patrol reconstruction

Post by Wolter » 06 Dec 2014, 11:32pm

appleseed wrote:Here's a new Rat Patrol reconstruction. I doubt there'll be any new material to any board regulars, but it's worth a look. I just stumbled across it and am downloading it now.

This guy does great reconstructions of lost or unreleased albums. I've gotten some excellent ones by Dylan, the Who and the Beach Boys from his site.

http://albumsthatneverwere.blogspot.com ... bragg.html
Weird. I JUST downloaded a Zappa reconstruction from him. Sounded great.
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Re: Rat Patrol reconstruction

Post by Kory » 07 Dec 2014, 1:25am

I get that he used CR versions for consistency of sound quality, but it kind of contradicts other claims he makes of it being Mick's version.
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Re: Rat Patrol reconstruction

Post by Kory » 20 Nov 2016, 9:03pm

WHY CAN'T WE HAVE A COMBAT ROCK DELUXE EDITION WITH ORIGINAL RAT PATROL BONUS DISC????

It's such a cool album, much more in the Sandinista! mold than what CR became.
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Re: Rat Patrol reconstruction

Post by Wolter » 20 Nov 2016, 9:23pm

Kory wrote:WHY CAN'T WE HAVE A COMBAT ROCK DELUXE EDITION WITH ORIGINAL RAT PATROL BONUS DISC????

It's such a cool album, much more in the Sandinista! mold than what CR became.
Because we can't have nice things.
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Re: Rat Patrol reconstruction

Post by Kory » 20 Nov 2016, 10:18pm

Wolter wrote:
Kory wrote:WHY CAN'T WE HAVE A COMBAT ROCK DELUXE EDITION WITH ORIGINAL RAT PATROL BONUS DISC????

It's such a cool album, much more in the Sandinista! mold than what CR became.
Because we can't have nice things.
I blame Flex.
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Absolutely. Here's another collection of words:

Table salt (spoon hinge)
Octopus (Ukraine)
St. Petersburg (arms)
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Florida Timeshare (ditto)
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Re: Rat Patrol reconstruction

Post by muppet hi fi » 20 Nov 2016, 11:39pm

Kory wrote:
Wolter wrote:
Kory wrote:WHY CAN'T WE HAVE A COMBAT ROCK DELUXE EDITION WITH ORIGINAL RAT PATROL BONUS DISC????

It's such a cool album, much more in the Sandinista! mold than what CR became.
Because we can't have nice things.
I blame Flex.
I blame Mick. Flex is just one of his lackeys.

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Re: Rat Patrol reconstruction

Post by Kory » 21 Nov 2016, 12:29am

muppet hi fi wrote:
Kory wrote:
Wolter wrote:
Kory wrote:WHY CAN'T WE HAVE A COMBAT ROCK DELUXE EDITION WITH ORIGINAL RAT PATROL BONUS DISC????

It's such a cool album, much more in the Sandinista! mold than what CR became.
Because we can't have nice things.
I blame Flex.
I blame Mick. Flex is just one of his lackeys.

Come the revolution, lads - telephone poles and nooses, feet to the fire, marching bands playing Phil Collins songs...
I really dig the RP mix of STH because the bass is so loud. If we could get better sounding KYR and Car Jamming, it might be enough. Those are the worst-sounding of the boots we have.
Inder:
Absolutely. Here's another collection of words:

Table salt (spoon hinge)
Octopus (Ukraine)
St. Petersburg (arms)
Ginger beer (cauliflower)
Pat Sajak (PSak)
Lamp post (self evident)
Florida Timeshare (ditto)
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Re: Rat Patrol reconstruction

Post by muppet hi fi » 21 Nov 2016, 12:45am

Kory wrote:
muppet hi fi wrote:
Kory wrote:
Wolter wrote:
Kory wrote:WHY CAN'T WE HAVE A COMBAT ROCK DELUXE EDITION WITH ORIGINAL RAT PATROL BONUS DISC????

It's such a cool album, much more in the Sandinista! mold than what CR became.
Because we can't have nice things.
I blame Flex.
I blame Mick. Flex is just one of his lackeys.

Come the revolution, lads - telephone poles and nooses, feet to the fire, marching bands playing Phil Collins songs...
I really dig the RP mix of STH because the bass is so loud. If we could get better sounding KYR and Car Jamming, it might be enough. Those are the worst-sounding of the boots we have.
I'm sure you've heard Marky's remasters/mixes of the Rat Patrol/CR sessions. His bass boosts are always tastefully done (whether official release or boots) including the various versions of STH, which, yeah - the bass was a bit thin and brittle on the CR version.

The instrumental version of KYR is revealing - a different instrumental take, Topper sounds more involved (mostly his high hat work, but...). And have you heard Marky's remix of Red Angel Dragnet with DeNiro's voice mixed in , in lieu of Cosmo's? Much more effective and the whole mix is stellar.
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Re: Rat Patrol reconstruction

Post by Kory » 21 Nov 2016, 12:53am

muppet hi fi wrote:
Kory wrote:
muppet hi fi wrote:
Kory wrote:
Wolter wrote:
Because we can't have nice things.
I blame Flex.
I blame Mick. Flex is just one of his lackeys.

Come the revolution, lads - telephone poles and nooses, feet to the fire, marching bands playing Phil Collins songs...
I really dig the RP mix of STH because the bass is so loud. If we could get better sounding KYR and Car Jamming, it might be enough. Those are the worst-sounding of the boots we have.
I'm sure you've heard Marky's remasters/mixes of the Rat Patrol/CR sessions. His bass boosts are always tastefully done (whether official release or boots) including the various versions of STH, which, yeah - the bass was a bit thin and brittle on the CR version.

The instrumental version of KYR is revealing - a different instrumental take, Topper sounds more involved (mostly his high hat work, but...). And have you heard Marky's remix of Red Angel Dragnet with DeNiro's voice mixed in , in lieu of Cosmo's? Much more effective and the whole mix is stellar.
I have, and they're great. But I'll always prefer a true release of Mick's mix to Marky's remaster, and I'm sure he'd agree. The KYR, Car Jamming, and Atom Tan takes that we have now are like 36th generation masters. Yikes! I'd even be happy with masters of those tracks that are as clear as the others.
Inder:
Absolutely. Here's another collection of words:

Table salt (spoon hinge)
Octopus (Ukraine)
St. Petersburg (arms)
Ginger beer (cauliflower)
Pat Sajak (PSak)
Lamp post (self evident)
Florida Timeshare (ditto)
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Re: Rat Patrol reconstruction

Post by muppet hi fi » 21 Nov 2016, 1:02am

Kory wrote:
muppet hi fi wrote:
Kory wrote:
muppet hi fi wrote:
Kory wrote:
I blame Flex.
I blame Mick. Flex is just one of his lackeys.

Come the revolution, lads - telephone poles and nooses, feet to the fire, marching bands playing Phil Collins songs...
I really dig the RP mix of STH because the bass is so loud. If we could get better sounding KYR and Car Jamming, it might be enough. Those are the worst-sounding of the boots we have.
I'm sure you've heard Marky's remasters/mixes of the Rat Patrol/CR sessions. His bass boosts are always tastefully done (whether official release or boots) including the various versions of STH, which, yeah - the bass was a bit thin and brittle on the CR version.

The instrumental version of KYR is revealing - a different instrumental take, Topper sounds more involved (mostly his high hat work, but...). And have you heard Marky's remix of Red Angel Dragnet with DeNiro's voice mixed in , in lieu of Cosmo's? Much more effective and the whole mix is stellar.
I have, and they're great. But I'll always prefer a true release of Mick's mix to Marky's remaster, and I'm sure he'd agree. The KYR, Car Jamming, and Atom Tan takes that we have now are like 36th generation masters. Yikes! I'd even be happy with masters of those tracks that are as clear as the others.
Oh, of course. And I'm guessing a pristine tape exists, as I seem to remember TeddyB saying he heard it (Gerry's copy I think) but didn't feel right about asking for a dub. And now Gerry's gone, but you'd assume Mick has it. Buried in his garden or where ever he keeps his planet-saving, unheard gems. :mad:
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Re: Rat Patrol reconstruction

Post by gkbill » 21 Nov 2016, 1:27am

muppet hi fi wrote:
Kory wrote:
muppet hi fi wrote:
Kory wrote:
Wolter wrote:
Because we can't have nice things.
I blame Flex.
I blame Mick. Flex is just one of his lackeys.

Come the revolution, lads - telephone poles and nooses, feet to the fire, marching bands playing Phil Collins songs...
I really dig the RP mix of STH because the bass is so loud. If we could get better sounding KYR and Car Jamming, it might be enough. Those are the worst-sounding of the boots we have.
I'm sure you've heard Marky's remasters/mixes of the Rat Patrol/CR sessions. His bass boosts are always tastefully done (whether official release or boots) including the various versions of STH, which, yeah - the bass was a bit thin and brittle on the CR version.

The instrumental version of KYR is revealing - a different instrumental take, Topper sounds more involved (mostly his high hat work, but...). And have you heard Marky's remix of Red Angel Dragnet with DeNiro's voice mixed in , in lieu of Cosmo's? Much more effective and the whole mix is stellar.
Hello,

Marky's stuff is fine with me. I don't want to be an audiophile. It sounds good while I work out and has a guttural/realness/edgieness feel to it. Let's not get carried away.

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Re: Rat Patrol reconstruction

Post by Kory » 21 Nov 2016, 2:35am

gkbill wrote:
muppet hi fi wrote:
Kory wrote:
muppet hi fi wrote:
Kory wrote:
I blame Flex.
I blame Mick. Flex is just one of his lackeys.

Come the revolution, lads - telephone poles and nooses, feet to the fire, marching bands playing Phil Collins songs...
I really dig the RP mix of STH because the bass is so loud. If we could get better sounding KYR and Car Jamming, it might be enough. Those are the worst-sounding of the boots we have.
I'm sure you've heard Marky's remasters/mixes of the Rat Patrol/CR sessions. His bass boosts are always tastefully done (whether official release or boots) including the various versions of STH, which, yeah - the bass was a bit thin and brittle on the CR version.

The instrumental version of KYR is revealing - a different instrumental take, Topper sounds more involved (mostly his high hat work, but...). And have you heard Marky's remix of Red Angel Dragnet with DeNiro's voice mixed in , in lieu of Cosmo's? Much more effective and the whole mix is stellar.
Hello,

Marky's stuff is fine with me. I don't want to be an audiophile. It sounds good while I work out and has a guttural/realness/edgieness feel to it. Let's not get carried away.
That's fine for you, but it's jarring when tracks in the same album are of a drastically different quality from one another. It's weird to go from the excellent quality of the STH version to the muffled and degenerated KYR.
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Absolutely. Here's another collection of words:

Table salt (spoon hinge)
Octopus (Ukraine)
St. Petersburg (arms)
Ginger beer (cauliflower)
Pat Sajak (PSak)
Lamp post (self evident)
Florida Timeshare (ditto)
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Re: Rat Patrol reconstruction

Post by Heston » 21 Nov 2016, 4:43am

I yearn for the pristine album too, mainly for Inoculated City.
I just polished off some Low Country shrimp & grits and a mess of collards. That's a hell of a strain on the arm.

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Re: Rat Patrol reconstruction

Post by TeddyB Not Logged In » 25 Nov 2016, 5:43pm

muppet hi fi wrote:
Kory wrote:
muppet hi fi wrote:
Kory wrote:
muppet hi fi wrote: I blame Mick. Flex is just one of his lackeys.

Come the revolution, lads - telephone poles and nooses, feet to the fire, marching bands playing Phil Collins songs...
I really dig the RP mix of STH because the bass is so loud. If we could get better sounding KYR and Car Jamming, it might be enough. Those are the worst-sounding of the boots we have.
I'm sure you've heard Marky's remasters/mixes of the Rat Patrol/CR sessions. His bass boosts are always tastefully done (whether official release or boots) including the various versions of STH, which, yeah - the bass was a bit thin and brittle on the CR version.

The instrumental version of KYR is revealing - a different instrumental take, Topper sounds more involved (mostly his high hat work, but...). And have you heard Marky's remix of Red Angel Dragnet with DeNiro's voice mixed in , in lieu of Cosmo's? Much more effective and the whole mix is stellar.
I have, and they're great. But I'll always prefer a true release of Mick's mix to Marky's remaster, and I'm sure he'd agree. The KYR, Car Jamming, and Atom Tan takes that we have now are like 36th generation masters. Yikes! I'd even be happy with masters of those tracks that are as clear as the others.
Oh, of course. And I'm guessing a pristine tape exists, as I seem to remember TeddyB saying he heard it (Gerry's copy I think) but didn't feel right about asking for a dub. And now Gerry's gone, but you'd assume Mick has it. Buried in his garden or where ever he keeps his planet-saving, unheard gems. :mad:
Gerb's copy, actually. Of course Mick has it. They used several of the tracks on Sound System. The reason they haven't released a complete Rat Patrol is because the band didn't approve it at the time, and the idea of releasing it was never broached before Joe passed away. It's one thing to release some early mixes on a compilation and it's another to release a contentious, alternate album. Maybe something will persuade Paul and Mick to change their minds, but that's where it sits as of now.

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