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Re: The Clash 2 Observations Thread

Posted: 07 Aug 2018, 4:51pm
by Dr. Medulla
Kory wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 4:28pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 3:18pm
Kory wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 2:38pm
Inder wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 2:21pm
Movers and Shakers is pretty great.
Corrected
People have been put in straitjackets for lesser statements.
I was actually inspired to listen to CTC on my drive the other night after reading some of Ralph's book—I expect it will happen a fair amount. I think I'm one of the only people here that likes it unironically. Of course, it started that way, but I came to love it like a child under the stairs.
Wow. I can't imagine it will, for me, ever transcend ironic enjoyment at best.

Re: The Clash 2 Observations Thread

Posted: 07 Aug 2018, 5:09pm
by Kory
Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 4:51pm
Kory wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 4:28pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 3:18pm
Kory wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 2:38pm
Inder wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 2:21pm
Movers and Shakers is pretty great.
Corrected
People have been put in straitjackets for lesser statements.
I was actually inspired to listen to CTC on my drive the other night after reading some of Ralph's book—I expect it will happen a fair amount. I think I'm one of the only people here that likes it unironically. Of course, it started that way, but I came to love it like a child under the stairs.
Wow. I can't imagine it will, for me, ever transcend ironic enjoyment at best.
Well aren't YOU cool

Re: The Clash 2 Observations Thread

Posted: 07 Aug 2018, 5:35pm
by Dr. Medulla
Kory wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 5:09pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 4:51pm
Kory wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 4:28pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 3:18pm
Kory wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 2:38pm


Corrected
People have been put in straitjackets for lesser statements.
I was actually inspired to listen to CTC on my drive the other night after reading some of Ralph's book—I expect it will happen a fair amount. I think I'm one of the only people here that likes it unironically. Of course, it started that way, but I came to love it like a child under the stairs.
Wow. I can't imagine it will, for me, ever transcend ironic enjoyment at best.
Well aren't YOU cool
Only under heat.

Re: The Clash 2 Observations Thread

Posted: 07 Aug 2018, 5:37pm
by Heston
Inder wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 2:21pm
That bridge in Movers and Shakers is pretty great.
Man, it's superb. There's emotion and power, and boy, Joe is singing the shit out of it. Then you have those Mariachi horns dripping with melody in the background. It is just a great song in general.

I just get tired of that "This Is England is the only good thing on CtC" cliche. There's great moments dotted all over the album but they're rendered flat by the production. If CtC was genuinely bad from top to bottom we would not discuss it. It's the fact that there's a great album in there somewhere but it's thwarted at every turn.

Re: The Clash 2 Observations Thread

Posted: 07 Aug 2018, 6:08pm
by muppet hi fi
Heston wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 5:37pm
Inder wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 2:21pm
That bridge in Movers and Shakers is pretty great.
Man, it's superb. There's emotion and power, and boy, Joe is singing the shit out of it. Then you have those Mariachi horns dripping with melody in the background. It is just a great song in general.

I just get tired of that "This Is England is the only good thing on CtC" cliche. There's great moments dotted all over the album but they're rendered flat by the production. If CtC was genuinely bad from top to bottom we would not discuss it. It's the fact that there's a great album in there somewhere but it's thwarted at every turn.
I agree with this entire post.

Too, I always thought that bridge in "Movers and Shakers" sounded/felt like the bridge in Ian Hunter & Mick Ronson's "Lisa Likes Rock n' Roll" from the barbarically unheralded 1981 album 'Short Back & Sides' (co-produced by our Mick, with Topper in tow).
It's at the 2:30 mark. What you think, mate?

Re: The Clash 2 Observations Thread

Posted: 07 Aug 2018, 6:47pm
by Dr. Medulla
Heston wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 5:37pm
If CtC was genuinely bad from top to bottom we would not discuss it. It's the fact that there's a great album in there somewhere but it's thwarted at every turn.
That it was hilariously and incompetently produced does inspire discussion and derision, but I'm not sure that the "if only" argument is why we keep returning to CtC. For me, at least, it's about the fascination of a great band self-destructing in the most bizarre manner. It's the "what is" not "what could be" that intrigues and amuses me.

Re: The Clash 2 Observations Thread

Posted: 07 Aug 2018, 7:07pm
by Heston
Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 6:47pm
Heston wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 5:37pm
If CtC was genuinely bad from top to bottom we would not discuss it. It's the fact that there's a great album in there somewhere but it's thwarted at every turn.
That it was hilariously and incompetently produced does inspire discussion and derision, but I'm not sure that the "if only" argument is why we keep returning to CtC. For me, at least, it's about the fascination of a great band self-destructing in the most bizarre manner. It's the "what is" not "what could be" that intrigues and amuses me.
I think it's both for me.

Re: The Clash 2 Observations Thread

Posted: 07 Aug 2018, 7:10pm
by Heston
muppet hi fi wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 6:08pm
Heston wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 5:37pm
Inder wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 2:21pm
That bridge in Movers and Shakers is pretty great.
Man, it's superb. There's emotion and power, and boy, Joe is singing the shit out of it. Then you have those Mariachi horns dripping with melody in the background. It is just a great song in general.

I just get tired of that "This Is England is the only good thing on CtC" cliche. There's great moments dotted all over the album but they're rendered flat by the production. If CtC was genuinely bad from top to bottom we would not discuss it. It's the fact that there's a great album in there somewhere but it's thwarted at every turn.
I agree with this entire post.

Too, I always thought that bridge in "Movers and Shakers" sounded/felt like the bridge in Ian Hunter & Mick Ronson's "Lisa Likes Rock n' Roll" from the barbarically unheralded 1981 album 'Short Back & Sides' (co-produced by our Mick, with Topper in tow).
It's at the 2:30 mark. What you think, mate?
I can see the resemblance with that note stretch on the vocals.

Re: The Clash 2 Observations Thread

Posted: 07 Aug 2018, 7:18pm
by Heston
I've just listened again and that last mariachi horn line in the middle eight followed by Joe's "hey!" made me want go back in time and sign up for Bernie's Summer 86 Youth Internment Camp.

Re: The Clash 2 Observations Thread

Posted: 07 Aug 2018, 7:26pm
by muppet hi fi
Kory wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 4:28pm
I was actually inspired to listen to CTC on my drive the other night after reading some of Ralph's book—I expect it will happen a fair amount. I think I'm one of the only people here that likes it unironically. Of course, it started that way, but I came to love it like a child under the stairs.
I too like it quite a bit. It just doesn't sound like the Clash at all, other than Joe's voice, some chord progressions and what lyrics I can understand. It's a fun cartoon. (though "This Is England" remains a potent non-cartoony piece, weird production and all).

And by the way - how, exactly, does one enjoy music "ironically"?

Re: The Clash 2 Observations Thread

Posted: 07 Aug 2018, 7:37pm
by Dr. Medulla
Heston wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 7:07pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 6:47pm
Heston wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 5:37pm
If CtC was genuinely bad from top to bottom we would not discuss it. It's the fact that there's a great album in there somewhere but it's thwarted at every turn.
That it was hilariously and incompetently produced does inspire discussion and derision, but I'm not sure that the "if only" argument is why we keep returning to CtC. For me, at least, it's about the fascination of a great band self-destructing in the most bizarre manner. It's the "what is" not "what could be" that intrigues and amuses me.
I think it's both for me.
Fencesitter.

Re: The Clash 2 Observations Thread

Posted: 07 Aug 2018, 7:39pm
by Heston
Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 7:37pm
Heston wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 7:07pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 6:47pm
Heston wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 5:37pm
If CtC was genuinely bad from top to bottom we would not discuss it. It's the fact that there's a great album in there somewhere but it's thwarted at every turn.
That it was hilariously and incompetently produced does inspire discussion and derision, but I'm not sure that the "if only" argument is why we keep returning to CtC. For me, at least, it's about the fascination of a great band self-destructing in the most bizarre manner. It's the "what is" not "what could be" that intrigues and amuses me.
I think it's both for me.
Fencesitter.
Was that a KISS outtake from Dressed To Kill?

Re: The Clash 2 Observations Thread

Posted: 07 Aug 2018, 7:48pm
by Dr. Medulla
Heston wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 7:39pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 7:37pm
Heston wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 7:07pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 6:47pm
Heston wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 5:37pm
If CtC was genuinely bad from top to bottom we would not discuss it. It's the fact that there's a great album in there somewhere but it's thwarted at every turn.
That it was hilariously and incompetently produced does inspire discussion and derision, but I'm not sure that the "if only" argument is why we keep returning to CtC. For me, at least, it's about the fascination of a great band self-destructing in the most bizarre manner. It's the "what is" not "what could be" that intrigues and amuses me.
I think it's both for me.
Fencesitter.
Was that a KISS outtake from Dressed To Kill?
Right—Gene failing to make "facesitter" into something "sexy."

Re: The Clash 2 Observations Thread

Posted: 20 Aug 2018, 4:26pm
by matedog
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Clash_discography

TIL "Are You Red...y" made it to #85 on the Australian singles charts in 85.

Re: The Clash 2 Observations Thread

Posted: 20 Aug 2018, 4:39pm
by Flex
matedog wrote:
20 Aug 2018, 4:26pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Clash_discography

TIL "Are You Red...y" made it to #85 on the Australian singles charts in 85.
australia is totally insane.