Wow. I can't imagine it will, for me, ever transcend ironic enjoyment at best.Kory wrote: ↑07 Aug 2018, 4:28pmI was actually inspired to listen to CTC on my drive the other night after reading some of Ralph's book—I expect it will happen a fair amount. I think I'm one of the only people here that likes it unironically. Of course, it started that way, but I came to love it like a child under the stairs.
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Well aren't YOU coolDr. Medulla wrote: ↑07 Aug 2018, 4:51pmWow. I can't imagine it will, for me, ever transcend ironic enjoyment at best.Kory wrote: ↑07 Aug 2018, 4:28pmI was actually inspired to listen to CTC on my drive the other night after reading some of Ralph's book—I expect it will happen a fair amount. I think I'm one of the only people here that likes it unironically. Of course, it started that way, but I came to love it like a child under the stairs.
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Only under heat.Kory wrote: ↑07 Aug 2018, 5:09pmWell aren't YOU coolDr. Medulla wrote: ↑07 Aug 2018, 4:51pmWow. I can't imagine it will, for me, ever transcend ironic enjoyment at best.Kory wrote: ↑07 Aug 2018, 4:28pmI was actually inspired to listen to CTC on my drive the other night after reading some of Ralph's book—I expect it will happen a fair amount. I think I'm one of the only people here that likes it unironically. Of course, it started that way, but I came to love it like a child under the stairs.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑07 Aug 2018, 3:18pmPeople have been put in straitjackets for lesser statements.
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Man, it's superb. There's emotion and power, and boy, Joe is singing the shit out of it. Then you have those Mariachi horns dripping with melody in the background. It is just a great song in general.
I just get tired of that "This Is England is the only good thing on CtC" cliche. There's great moments dotted all over the album but they're rendered flat by the production. If CtC was genuinely bad from top to bottom we would not discuss it. It's the fact that there's a great album in there somewhere but it's thwarted at every turn.
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I agree with this entire post.Heston wrote: ↑07 Aug 2018, 5:37pmMan, it's superb. There's emotion and power, and boy, Joe is singing the shit out of it. Then you have those Mariachi horns dripping with melody in the background. It is just a great song in general.
I just get tired of that "This Is England is the only good thing on CtC" cliche. There's great moments dotted all over the album but they're rendered flat by the production. If CtC was genuinely bad from top to bottom we would not discuss it. It's the fact that there's a great album in there somewhere but it's thwarted at every turn.
Too, I always thought that bridge in "Movers and Shakers" sounded/felt like the bridge in Ian Hunter & Mick Ronson's "Lisa Likes Rock n' Roll" from the barbarically unheralded 1981 album 'Short Back & Sides' (co-produced by our Mick, with Topper in tow).
It's at the 2:30 mark. What you think, mate?
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That it was hilariously and incompetently produced does inspire discussion and derision, but I'm not sure that the "if only" argument is why we keep returning to CtC. For me, at least, it's about the fascination of a great band self-destructing in the most bizarre manner. It's the "what is" not "what could be" that intrigues and amuses me.
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I think it's both for me.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑07 Aug 2018, 6:47pmThat it was hilariously and incompetently produced does inspire discussion and derision, but I'm not sure that the "if only" argument is why we keep returning to CtC. For me, at least, it's about the fascination of a great band self-destructing in the most bizarre manner. It's the "what is" not "what could be" that intrigues and amuses me.
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I can see the resemblance with that note stretch on the vocals.muppet hi fi wrote: ↑07 Aug 2018, 6:08pmI agree with this entire post.Heston wrote: ↑07 Aug 2018, 5:37pmMan, it's superb. There's emotion and power, and boy, Joe is singing the shit out of it. Then you have those Mariachi horns dripping with melody in the background. It is just a great song in general.
I just get tired of that "This Is England is the only good thing on CtC" cliche. There's great moments dotted all over the album but they're rendered flat by the production. If CtC was genuinely bad from top to bottom we would not discuss it. It's the fact that there's a great album in there somewhere but it's thwarted at every turn.
Too, I always thought that bridge in "Movers and Shakers" sounded/felt like the bridge in Ian Hunter & Mick Ronson's "Lisa Likes Rock n' Roll" from the barbarically unheralded 1981 album 'Short Back & Sides' (co-produced by our Mick, with Topper in tow).
It's at the 2:30 mark. What you think, mate?
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I've just listened again and that last mariachi horn line in the middle eight followed by Joe's "hey!" made me want go back in time and sign up for Bernie's Summer 86 Youth Internment Camp.
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I too like it quite a bit. It just doesn't sound like the Clash at all, other than Joe's voice, some chord progressions and what lyrics I can understand. It's a fun cartoon. (though "This Is England" remains a potent non-cartoony piece, weird production and all).Kory wrote: ↑07 Aug 2018, 4:28pmI was actually inspired to listen to CTC on my drive the other night after reading some of Ralph's book—I expect it will happen a fair amount. I think I'm one of the only people here that likes it unironically. Of course, it started that way, but I came to love it like a child under the stairs.
And by the way - how, exactly, does one enjoy music "ironically"?
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Fencesitter.Heston wrote: ↑07 Aug 2018, 7:07pmI think it's both for me.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑07 Aug 2018, 6:47pmThat it was hilariously and incompetently produced does inspire discussion and derision, but I'm not sure that the "if only" argument is why we keep returning to CtC. For me, at least, it's about the fascination of a great band self-destructing in the most bizarre manner. It's the "what is" not "what could be" that intrigues and amuses me.
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Was that a KISS outtake from Dressed To Kill?Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑07 Aug 2018, 7:37pmFencesitter.Heston wrote: ↑07 Aug 2018, 7:07pmI think it's both for me.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑07 Aug 2018, 6:47pmThat it was hilariously and incompetently produced does inspire discussion and derision, but I'm not sure that the "if only" argument is why we keep returning to CtC. For me, at least, it's about the fascination of a great band self-destructing in the most bizarre manner. It's the "what is" not "what could be" that intrigues and amuses me.
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Right—Gene failing to make "facesitter" into something "sexy."Heston wrote: ↑07 Aug 2018, 7:39pmWas that a KISS outtake from Dressed To Kill?Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑07 Aug 2018, 7:37pmFencesitter.Heston wrote: ↑07 Aug 2018, 7:07pmI think it's both for me.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑07 Aug 2018, 6:47pmThat it was hilariously and incompetently produced does inspire discussion and derision, but I'm not sure that the "if only" argument is why we keep returning to CtC. For me, at least, it's about the fascination of a great band self-destructing in the most bizarre manner. It's the "what is" not "what could be" that intrigues and amuses me.
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TIL "Are You Red...y" made it to #85 on the Australian singles charts in 85.
TIL "Are You Red...y" made it to #85 on the Australian singles charts in 85.
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australia is totally insane.matedog wrote: ↑20 Aug 2018, 4:26pmhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Clash_discography
TIL "Are You Red...y" made it to #85 on the Australian singles charts in 85.
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