The Clash observations thread.

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Re: The Clash observations thread.

Post by matedog » 20 Oct 2017, 1:44pm

Kory wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 1:20pm
matedog wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 10:09am
matedog wrote:
19 Oct 2017, 3:12pm
Flex wrote:
19 Oct 2017, 3:10pm
matedog wrote:
19 Oct 2017, 3:01pm
Ugh, rhyming "prison" with "prison." So close to being a good line.
You're never going to be a Black Flag superfan with that attitude.
I was trying to think of another example and only know of one off the top of my head:
I walk these streets
A loaded six-string on my back
I play for keeps 'cause I might not make it back
:shifty:
Was listening to S! this morning and was reminded of this as well:
But on the drummers face, there is a look of dread
As he drums away 400 years of dread

I thought to myself, "Joe is such a wordsmith, but this is a crime Bruce would never commit." Until I remembered,
Don't turn me home again
I just can't face myself alone again
I think the Bruce example is acceptable. It doesn't seem to be so much about rhyming as about expressing an emotion or telling a story. Repetition is very effective if it's done well, I think.
It comes across a bit clumsy though. Why not "face myself alone tonight" or something that doesn't rhyme and is a different word? I love repetition and partial repetition, just has to be more clever than that.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Re: The Clash observations thread.

Post by Kory » 20 Oct 2017, 2:22pm

matedog wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 1:44pm
Kory wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 1:20pm
matedog wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 10:09am
matedog wrote:
19 Oct 2017, 3:12pm
Flex wrote:
19 Oct 2017, 3:10pm


You're never going to be a Black Flag superfan with that attitude.
I was trying to think of another example and only know of one off the top of my head:
I walk these streets
A loaded six-string on my back
I play for keeps 'cause I might not make it back
:shifty:
Was listening to S! this morning and was reminded of this as well:
But on the drummers face, there is a look of dread
As he drums away 400 years of dread

I thought to myself, "Joe is such a wordsmith, but this is a crime Bruce would never commit." Until I remembered,
Don't turn me home again
I just can't face myself alone again
I think the Bruce example is acceptable. It doesn't seem to be so much about rhyming as about expressing an emotion or telling a story. Repetition is very effective if it's done well, I think.
It comes across a bit clumsy though. Why not "face myself alone tonight" or something that doesn't rhyme and is a different word? I love repetition and partial repetition, just has to be more clever than that.
I think there's some value in saying again again though. Its starkness (not adding anything additional) drives home the despair. It's a little darker that way, which is probably just a personal preference.
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Absolutely. Here's another collection of words:

Table salt (spoon hinge)
Octopus (Ukraine)
St. Petersburg (arms)
Ginger beer (cauliflower)
Pat Sajak (PSak)
Lamp post (self evident)
Florida Timeshare (ditto)
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Re: The Clash observations thread.

Post by Kory » 21 Oct 2017, 10:31pm

January 2, 1982 (Tokyo) is a fun-as-hell show. They're clearly having a great time on stage.
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Absolutely. Here's another collection of words:

Table salt (spoon hinge)
Octopus (Ukraine)
St. Petersburg (arms)
Ginger beer (cauliflower)
Pat Sajak (PSak)
Lamp post (self evident)
Florida Timeshare (ditto)
Heraclitus (EMI)
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Re: The Clash observations thread.

Post by Wolter » 21 Oct 2017, 11:42pm

Kory wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 2:22pm
matedog wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 1:44pm
Kory wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 1:20pm
matedog wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 10:09am
matedog wrote:
19 Oct 2017, 3:12pm


I was trying to think of another example and only know of one off the top of my head:
I walk these streets
A loaded six-string on my back
I play for keeps 'cause I might not make it back
:shifty:
Was listening to S! this morning and was reminded of this as well:
But on the drummers face, there is a look of dread
As he drums away 400 years of dread

I thought to myself, "Joe is such a wordsmith, but this is a crime Bruce would never commit." Until I remembered,
Don't turn me home again
I just can't face myself alone again
I think the Bruce example is acceptable. It doesn't seem to be so much about rhyming as about expressing an emotion or telling a story. Repetition is very effective if it's done well, I think.
It comes across a bit clumsy though. Why not "face myself alone tonight" or something that doesn't rhyme and is a different word? I love repetition and partial repetition, just has to be more clever than that.
I think there's some value in saying again again though. Its starkness (not adding anything additional) drives home the despair. It's a little darker that way, which is probably just a personal preference.
Also, the rhyme on the Bruce one is actually a slant on home/alone.
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Re: The Clash observations thread.

Post by WestwayKid » 26 Oct 2017, 7:21am

More of a question than an observation - but also not deserving of its own thread. On "The Beautiful People Are Ugly Too" there is that part where Joe talks about "The Fulham Connection 2" and I've always been curious about that reference. I'm hoping someone London based can fill me in on the significance (I'm just an ignorant American, ha)! All I know is Fulham is an area of west London and according to Wikipedia it is considered a prime area to live. The song is (I've always believed) about someone from a good part of town getting caught up with drugs and then exposed.

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Re: The Clash observations thread.

Post by Marky Dread » 26 Oct 2017, 8:17am

WestwayKid wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 7:21am
More of a question than an observation - but also not deserving of its own thread. On "The Beautiful People Are Ugly Too" there is that part where Joe talks about "The Fulham Connection 2" and I've always been curious about that reference. I'm hoping someone London based can fill me in on the significance (I'm just an ignorant American, ha)! All I know is Fulham is an area of west London and according to Wikipedia it is considered a prime area to live. The song is (I've always believed) about someone from a good part of town getting caught up with drugs and then exposed.
It's a reference to the movie The French Connection II.
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Re: The Clash observations thread.

Post by WestwayKid » 26 Oct 2017, 8:45am

Marky Dread wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 8:17am
WestwayKid wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 7:21am
More of a question than an observation - but also not deserving of its own thread. On "The Beautiful People Are Ugly Too" there is that part where Joe talks about "The Fulham Connection 2" and I've always been curious about that reference. I'm hoping someone London based can fill me in on the significance (I'm just an ignorant American, ha)! All I know is Fulham is an area of west London and according to Wikipedia it is considered a prime area to live. The song is (I've always believed) about someone from a good part of town getting caught up with drugs and then exposed.
It's a reference to the movie The French Connection II.
Thank you! Great film, by the way! Gene Hackman is one of the best.

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Re: The Clash observations thread.

Post by Marky Dread » 26 Oct 2017, 11:17am

WestwayKid wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 8:45am
Marky Dread wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 8:17am
WestwayKid wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 7:21am
More of a question than an observation - but also not deserving of its own thread. On "The Beautiful People Are Ugly Too" there is that part where Joe talks about "The Fulham Connection 2" and I've always been curious about that reference. I'm hoping someone London based can fill me in on the significance (I'm just an ignorant American, ha)! All I know is Fulham is an area of west London and according to Wikipedia it is considered a prime area to live. The song is (I've always believed) about someone from a good part of town getting caught up with drugs and then exposed.
It's a reference to the movie The French Connection II.
Thank you! Great film, by the way! Gene Hackman is one of the best.
The first movie is a favourite of mine.
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Re: The Clash observations thread.

Post by WestwayKid » 26 Oct 2017, 2:52pm



You know you're boss when someone cool writes a song about you!

Marky - agree 100% on French Connection. Great film. Second one wasn't too shabby, either.

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Re: The Clash observations thread.

Post by 101Walterton » 26 Oct 2017, 2:56pm

Marky Dread wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 11:17am
WestwayKid wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 8:45am
Marky Dread wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 8:17am
WestwayKid wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 7:21am
More of a question than an observation - but also not deserving of its own thread. On "The Beautiful People Are Ugly Too" there is that part where Joe talks about "The Fulham Connection 2" and I've always been curious about that reference. I'm hoping someone London based can fill me in on the significance (I'm just an ignorant American, ha)! All I know is Fulham is an area of west London and according to Wikipedia it is considered a prime area to live. The song is (I've always believed) about someone from a good part of town getting caught up with drugs and then exposed.
It's a reference to the movie The French Connection II.
Thank you! Great film, by the way! Gene Hackman is one of the best.
The first movie is a favourite of mine.
And my Dad. He took us to Marseille because of that film. Took us 2 days to drive there.

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Re: The Clash observations thread.

Post by WestwayKid » 26 Oct 2017, 3:06pm

I like the fact that the Clash named their tours: 16 Tons Tour, Pearl Harbour Tour, Sort It Out Tour, Impossible Mission Tour, Take the Fifth Tour...and so on.

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Re: The Clash observations thread.

Post by Marky Dread » 26 Oct 2017, 4:10pm

WestwayKid wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 2:52pm


You know you're boss when someone cool writes a song about you!

Marky - agree 100% on French Connection. Great film. Second one wasn't too shabby, either.
I am a Big Robyn Hitchcock fan from the Soft Boys onwards.
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Re: The Clash observations thread.

Post by TeddyB Not Logged In » 26 Oct 2017, 5:27pm

Marky Dread wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 8:17am
WestwayKid wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 7:21am
More of a question than an observation - but also not deserving of its own thread. On "The Beautiful People Are Ugly Too" there is that part where Joe talks about "The Fulham Connection 2" and I've always been curious about that reference. I'm hoping someone London based can fill me in on the significance (I'm just an ignorant American, ha)! All I know is Fulham is an area of west London and according to Wikipedia it is considered a prime area to live. The song is (I've always believed) about someone from a good part of town getting caught up with drugs and then exposed.
It's a reference to the movie The French Connection II.
In point of fact, the song was actually titled "The Fulham Connection 2", just as 'Kill Time' was titled "Idle in Kangaroo Court W1". Don't really know why "Idle" lost it's post code for 'Sound System' or why 'Fulham' got its title changed to the chorus lyric. I asked Mick and he more or less shrugged, but it might have something to do with Topper.

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Re: The Clash observations thread.

Post by Kory » 27 Oct 2017, 12:50pm

TeddyB Not Logged In wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 5:27pm
Marky Dread wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 8:17am
WestwayKid wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 7:21am
More of a question than an observation - but also not deserving of its own thread. On "The Beautiful People Are Ugly Too" there is that part where Joe talks about "The Fulham Connection 2" and I've always been curious about that reference. I'm hoping someone London based can fill me in on the significance (I'm just an ignorant American, ha)! All I know is Fulham is an area of west London and according to Wikipedia it is considered a prime area to live. The song is (I've always believed) about someone from a good part of town getting caught up with drugs and then exposed.
It's a reference to the movie The French Connection II.
In point of fact, the song was actually titled "The Fulham Connection 2", just as 'Kill Time' was titled "Idle in Kangaroo Court W1". Don't really know why "Idle" lost it's post code for 'Sound System' or why 'Fulham' got its title changed to the chorus lyric. I asked Mick and he more or less shrugged, but it might have something to do with Topper.
Did Topper write them? I don't have my copy on me right now.
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Absolutely. Here's another collection of words:

Table salt (spoon hinge)
Octopus (Ukraine)
St. Petersburg (arms)
Ginger beer (cauliflower)
Pat Sajak (PSak)
Lamp post (self evident)
Florida Timeshare (ditto)
Heraclitus (EMI)
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Re: The Clash observations thread.

Post by Kory » 08 Nov 2017, 9:12pm

Searching "live Clash" on YouTube doesn't bring up too much, even if I append a year. Is there any other resource for streaming or downloading live footage of the band (complete or near-complete shows are ideal, obvs)? I like watching these on weekends, but it's pretty hard to come by a bootleg DVD anymore.
Inder:
Absolutely. Here's another collection of words:

Table salt (spoon hinge)
Octopus (Ukraine)
St. Petersburg (arms)
Ginger beer (cauliflower)
Pat Sajak (PSak)
Lamp post (self evident)
Florida Timeshare (ditto)
Heraclitus (EMI)
Developers (Developers Developers)
Boogie With Your Children

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