It comes across a bit clumsy though. Why not "face myself alone tonight" or something that doesn't rhyme and is a different word? I love repetition and partial repetition, just has to be more clever than that.Kory wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 1:20pmI think the Bruce example is acceptable. It doesn't seem to be so much about rhyming as about expressing an emotion or telling a story. Repetition is very effective if it's done well, I think.matedog wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 10:09amWas listening to S! this morning and was reminded of this as well:
But on the drummers face, there is a look of dread
As he drums away 400 years of dread
I thought to myself, "Joe is such a wordsmith, but this is a crime Bruce would never commit." Until I remembered,
Don't turn me home again
I just can't face myself alone again
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Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.
Re: The Clash observations thread.
I think there's some value in saying again again though. Its starkness (not adding anything additional) drives home the despair. It's a little darker that way, which is probably just a personal preference.matedog wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 1:44pmIt comes across a bit clumsy though. Why not "face myself alone tonight" or something that doesn't rhyme and is a different word? I love repetition and partial repetition, just has to be more clever than that.Kory wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 1:20pmI think the Bruce example is acceptable. It doesn't seem to be so much about rhyming as about expressing an emotion or telling a story. Repetition is very effective if it's done well, I think.matedog wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 10:09amWas listening to S! this morning and was reminded of this as well:
But on the drummers face, there is a look of dread
As he drums away 400 years of dread
I thought to myself, "Joe is such a wordsmith, but this is a crime Bruce would never commit." Until I remembered,
Don't turn me home again
I just can't face myself alone again
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Re: The Clash observations thread.
January 2, 1982 (Tokyo) is a fun-as-hell show. They're clearly having a great time on stage.
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Also, the rhyme on the Bruce one is actually a slant on home/alone.Kory wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 2:22pmI think there's some value in saying again again though. Its starkness (not adding anything additional) drives home the despair. It's a little darker that way, which is probably just a personal preference.matedog wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 1:44pmIt comes across a bit clumsy though. Why not "face myself alone tonight" or something that doesn't rhyme and is a different word? I love repetition and partial repetition, just has to be more clever than that.Kory wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 1:20pmI think the Bruce example is acceptable. It doesn't seem to be so much about rhyming as about expressing an emotion or telling a story. Repetition is very effective if it's done well, I think.matedog wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 10:09amWas listening to S! this morning and was reminded of this as well:
But on the drummers face, there is a look of dread
As he drums away 400 years of dread
I thought to myself, "Joe is such a wordsmith, but this is a crime Bruce would never commit." Until I remembered,
Don't turn me home again
I just can't face myself alone again
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More of a question than an observation - but also not deserving of its own thread. On "The Beautiful People Are Ugly Too" there is that part where Joe talks about "The Fulham Connection 2" and I've always been curious about that reference. I'm hoping someone London based can fill me in on the significance (I'm just an ignorant American, ha)! All I know is Fulham is an area of west London and according to Wikipedia it is considered a prime area to live. The song is (I've always believed) about someone from a good part of town getting caught up with drugs and then exposed.
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It's a reference to the movie The French Connection II.WestwayKid wrote: ↑26 Oct 2017, 7:21amMore of a question than an observation - but also not deserving of its own thread. On "The Beautiful People Are Ugly Too" there is that part where Joe talks about "The Fulham Connection 2" and I've always been curious about that reference. I'm hoping someone London based can fill me in on the significance (I'm just an ignorant American, ha)! All I know is Fulham is an area of west London and according to Wikipedia it is considered a prime area to live. The song is (I've always believed) about someone from a good part of town getting caught up with drugs and then exposed.
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Thank you! Great film, by the way! Gene Hackman is one of the best.Marky Dread wrote: ↑26 Oct 2017, 8:17amIt's a reference to the movie The French Connection II.WestwayKid wrote: ↑26 Oct 2017, 7:21amMore of a question than an observation - but also not deserving of its own thread. On "The Beautiful People Are Ugly Too" there is that part where Joe talks about "The Fulham Connection 2" and I've always been curious about that reference. I'm hoping someone London based can fill me in on the significance (I'm just an ignorant American, ha)! All I know is Fulham is an area of west London and according to Wikipedia it is considered a prime area to live. The song is (I've always believed) about someone from a good part of town getting caught up with drugs and then exposed.
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The first movie is a favourite of mine.WestwayKid wrote: ↑26 Oct 2017, 8:45amThank you! Great film, by the way! Gene Hackman is one of the best.Marky Dread wrote: ↑26 Oct 2017, 8:17amIt's a reference to the movie The French Connection II.WestwayKid wrote: ↑26 Oct 2017, 7:21amMore of a question than an observation - but also not deserving of its own thread. On "The Beautiful People Are Ugly Too" there is that part where Joe talks about "The Fulham Connection 2" and I've always been curious about that reference. I'm hoping someone London based can fill me in on the significance (I'm just an ignorant American, ha)! All I know is Fulham is an area of west London and according to Wikipedia it is considered a prime area to live. The song is (I've always believed) about someone from a good part of town getting caught up with drugs and then exposed.
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You know you're boss when someone cool writes a song about you!
Marky - agree 100% on French Connection. Great film. Second one wasn't too shabby, either.
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And my Dad. He took us to Marseille because of that film. Took us 2 days to drive there.Marky Dread wrote: ↑26 Oct 2017, 11:17amThe first movie is a favourite of mine.WestwayKid wrote: ↑26 Oct 2017, 8:45amThank you! Great film, by the way! Gene Hackman is one of the best.Marky Dread wrote: ↑26 Oct 2017, 8:17amIt's a reference to the movie The French Connection II.WestwayKid wrote: ↑26 Oct 2017, 7:21amMore of a question than an observation - but also not deserving of its own thread. On "The Beautiful People Are Ugly Too" there is that part where Joe talks about "The Fulham Connection 2" and I've always been curious about that reference. I'm hoping someone London based can fill me in on the significance (I'm just an ignorant American, ha)! All I know is Fulham is an area of west London and according to Wikipedia it is considered a prime area to live. The song is (I've always believed) about someone from a good part of town getting caught up with drugs and then exposed.
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I like the fact that the Clash named their tours: 16 Tons Tour, Pearl Harbour Tour, Sort It Out Tour, Impossible Mission Tour, Take the Fifth Tour...and so on.
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I am a Big Robyn Hitchcock fan from the Soft Boys onwards.WestwayKid wrote: ↑26 Oct 2017, 2:52pm
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In point of fact, the song was actually titled "The Fulham Connection 2", just as 'Kill Time' was titled "Idle in Kangaroo Court W1". Don't really know why "Idle" lost it's post code for 'Sound System' or why 'Fulham' got its title changed to the chorus lyric. I asked Mick and he more or less shrugged, but it might have something to do with Topper.Marky Dread wrote: ↑26 Oct 2017, 8:17amIt's a reference to the movie The French Connection II.WestwayKid wrote: ↑26 Oct 2017, 7:21amMore of a question than an observation - but also not deserving of its own thread. On "The Beautiful People Are Ugly Too" there is that part where Joe talks about "The Fulham Connection 2" and I've always been curious about that reference. I'm hoping someone London based can fill me in on the significance (I'm just an ignorant American, ha)! All I know is Fulham is an area of west London and according to Wikipedia it is considered a prime area to live. The song is (I've always believed) about someone from a good part of town getting caught up with drugs and then exposed.
Re: The Clash observations thread.
Did Topper write them? I don't have my copy on me right now.TeddyB Not Logged In wrote: ↑26 Oct 2017, 5:27pmIn point of fact, the song was actually titled "The Fulham Connection 2", just as 'Kill Time' was titled "Idle in Kangaroo Court W1". Don't really know why "Idle" lost it's post code for 'Sound System' or why 'Fulham' got its title changed to the chorus lyric. I asked Mick and he more or less shrugged, but it might have something to do with Topper.Marky Dread wrote: ↑26 Oct 2017, 8:17amIt's a reference to the movie The French Connection II.WestwayKid wrote: ↑26 Oct 2017, 7:21amMore of a question than an observation - but also not deserving of its own thread. On "The Beautiful People Are Ugly Too" there is that part where Joe talks about "The Fulham Connection 2" and I've always been curious about that reference. I'm hoping someone London based can fill me in on the significance (I'm just an ignorant American, ha)! All I know is Fulham is an area of west London and according to Wikipedia it is considered a prime area to live. The song is (I've always believed) about someone from a good part of town getting caught up with drugs and then exposed.
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Searching "live Clash" on YouTube doesn't bring up too much, even if I append a year. Is there any other resource for streaming or downloading live footage of the band (complete or near-complete shows are ideal, obvs)? I like watching these on weekends, but it's pretty hard to come by a bootleg DVD anymore.
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