The Clash observations thread.

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Re: The Clash observations thread.

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Marky Dread wrote:
16 Jan 2020, 3:14pm
101Walterton wrote:
16 Jan 2020, 2:51pm
Marky Dread wrote:
16 Jan 2020, 2:45pm
101Walterton wrote:
16 Jan 2020, 2:42pm
matedog wrote:
16 Jan 2020, 2:37pm

Thanks Marky. Didn't we have a studio logs thread?
Yes there is a thread where every track is catalogued.
Where is it mate?
Good question I can’t remember who did it but it wasn’t long ago?
There were several threads I think it was done either by year or album?
Nope never seen it. Only the thread that Matedog posted that was suggested by WestwayKid.
I hope it isn’t a Mandela effect 😳
I am convinced there was a series of threads where every Clash studio recorded track was listed and it was either done by calendar year or by album era with the singles demos and outtakes for each album?

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Re: The Clash observations thread.

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Reading that "From Here to Eternity" review is really interesting. I've always thought that Terry gets a lot of unfair criticism. I understand where people are coming from, but I think his drumming was solid. Sure, he doesn't have the finesse or creativity that Topper had, but I think Terry did a good job. I also respect how professional he was. When he was brought in to replace Topper, he only had a week to learn all the new songs and rehearse them. I think he really did his best and just seems like a classy guy.

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Re: The Clash observations thread.

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GotGameGreggy wrote:
16 Jan 2020, 4:07pm
Reading that "From Here to Eternity" review is really interesting. I've always thought that Terry gets a lot of unfair criticism. I understand where people are coming from, but I think his drumming was solid. Sure, he doesn't have the finesse or creativity that Topper had, but I think Terry did a good job. I also respect how professional he was. When he was brought in to replace Topper, he only had a week to learn all the new songs and rehearse them. I think he really did his best and just seems like a classy guy.
Fair comments.

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Greil Marcus comments on NPR about 'London Calling' 40 years later. Some may find him obtuse or downright annoying at times, but I've always thought he was a great writer who thinks and feels deeply.

"I wouldn't change anything. The Clash, from the beginning, presented themselves as a revolutionary band. Take the most minor provocations or insults or humiliations and make statements about them through their music, pump them up with emotion, and fear, and a sense of jeopardy and a sense of defiance that created songs that made the people listening to them feel bigger, as if they were living in a bigger world where nothing was trivial."
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101Walterton wrote:
16 Jan 2020, 3:27pm
Marky Dread wrote:
16 Jan 2020, 3:14pm
101Walterton wrote:
16 Jan 2020, 2:51pm
Marky Dread wrote:
16 Jan 2020, 2:45pm
101Walterton wrote:
16 Jan 2020, 2:42pm


Yes there is a thread where every track is catalogued.
Where is it mate?
Good question I can’t remember who did it but it wasn’t long ago?
There were several threads I think it was done either by year or album?
Nope never seen it. Only the thread that Matedog posted that was suggested by WestwayKid.
I hope it isn’t a Mandela effect 😳
I am convinced there was a series of threads where every Clash studio recorded track was listed and it was either done by calendar year or by album era with the singles demos and outtakes for each album?
You remember correctly;

A journey into the Clash CDs discography, part 1: "THE CLASH" (JUL.76 - DEC.77)

JOE STRUMMER / MICK JONES / KEITH LEVENE / PAUL SIMONON / TERRY CHIMES / ROB HARPER / TOPPER HEADON

All tracks on the official CDs discography plus some essential extras. I am not infallible so...
In the references are indicated only the main CDs or cdsingle:
TCR - The Clash (remastered) / SSB - Sound System Box / TSB - The Singles Box / SBM - Super Black Market Clash / TSC - The Story Of Clash, Vol.1 / UNW - Joe Strummer: The Future Is Unwritten / SEL - Selections From The Clash Live: Revolution Rock (Promo CD)


THE CLASH

01. Janie Jones (2:03) - TCR / SSB
02. Remote Control (2:58) - TCR / SSB
03. I’m So Bored With U.S.A. (2:23) - TCR / SSB
04. White Riot (1:53) - TCR / SSB
05. Hate & War (2:03) - TCR / SSB
06. What’s My Name (1:38) - TCR / SSB
07. Deny (3:01) - TCR / SSB
08. London’s Burning (2:08) - TCR / SSB
09. Career Opportunities (1:50) - TCR / SSB
10. Cheat (2:03) - TCR / SSB
11. Protex Blue (1:42) - TCR / SSB
12. Police & Thieves (5:58) - TCR / SSB
13. 48 Hours (1:33) - TCR / SSB
14. Garageland (3:10) - TCR / SSB

OTHER TRACKS

15. Janie Jones [demo Nov.76] (2:04) - SSB
16. Career Opportunities [demo Nov.76] (1:51) - SSB
17. London’s Burning [demo Nov.76] (1:55) - SSB
18. 1977 [demo Nov.76] 1:38 - SSB
19. White Riot [demo Nov.76] (1:54) - SSB
20. I’m So Bored With U.S.A. [demo Jan.77] (2:23) - SSB
21. London’s Burning [demo Jan.77] (1:56) - SSB
22. White Riot [demo Jan.77] (1:52) - SSB
23. 1977 [demo Jan.77] (1:46) - SSB
24. White Riot [single version] (1:57) - TSB
25. 1977 (1:38) - TSB
26. Listen [edit] (0:27) - TSB
27. Interview With The Clash On The Circle Line, Pt.1 (8:51) - TSB
28. Interview With The Clash On The Circle Line, Pt.2 (3:10) - TSB
29. Capital Radio One (2:08) - TSB
30. Listen (2:43) - SBM
31. Interview, Pt.2 / Capital Radio One (5:17) - TSC
32. Listen [edit] / Interviews (11:07) - SSB
33. London’s Burning [live] (2:09) - TSB
34. Complete Control (3:11) - TSB
35. City Of The Dead (2:21) - TSB
36. Clash City Rockers [single version] (3:46) - TSB
37. Jail Guitar Doors (3:03) - TSB
38. Clash City Rockers [original version] (3:55) - SSB

EXTRAS

39. White Riot [demo Jan.77 alt. mix] (2:21) - UNW
40. White Riot [demo Apr.77] (1:48) - SEL
41. 1977 [demo Apr.77] (1:47) - SEL
42. London’s Burning [demo Apr.77] (2:04) - SEL

For a complete overview of the period you can support these songs with the M.D. historical documents

A journey into the Clash CDs discography, part 2: "GIVE ‘EM ENOUGH ROPE" (JAN 1978 - FEB 1979)

JOE STRUMMER / MICK JONES / PAUL SIMONON / TOPPER HEADON

All tracks on the official CDs discography plus some essential extras. I am not infallible so...
In the references are indicated only the main CDs or cdsingle:
GER - Give 'Em Enough Rope (remastered) / SSB - Sound System Box / TSB - The Singles Box / BCM - Black Market Clash / COB - Clash On Broadway (3CD) / COB91 - Clash On Broadway (Epic 46991) (3CD) / FHT - From Here To Eternity

GIVE ‘EM ENOUGH ROPE

01. Safe European Home (3:48) - GER / SSB
02. English Civil War (2:35) - GER / SSB
03. Tommy Gun (3:13) - GER / SSB
04. Julie's Been Working For The Drug Squad (3:02) - GER / SSB
05. Last Gang In Town (5:10) - GER / SSB
06. Guns On The Roof (3:15) - GER / SSB
07. Drug-Stabbing Time (3:41) - GER / SSB
08. Stay Free (3:37) - GER / SSB
09. Cheapskates (3:23) - GER / SSB
10. All The Young Punks (New Boots And Contracts) (4:54) - GER / SSB

OTHER TRACKS

11. (White Man) In Hammersmith Palais (3:59) - TSB
12. The Prisoner (2:58) - TSB
13. 1-2 Crush On You (2:58) - TSB
14. Pressure Drop (3:24) - TSB
15. Pressure Drop [alt. mix] (3:25) - BCM
16. I Fought The Law (2:39) - TSB
17. Groovy Times (3:28) - TSB
18. Gates Of The West (3:25) - TSB
19. Capital Radio Two (3:18) - TSB
20. The Cost Of Living Advert (0:43) - TSB (Japan issue only)
21. Time Is Tight (4:04) - BCM / SSB
22. One Emotion (4:37) - COB
23. One Emotion [edit] (4:10) - COB91
24. London’s Burning [live] (2:03) - FHT
25. What’s My Name [live] (1:43) - FHT
26. City Of The Dead [live] (2:55) - FHT / SSB
27. Jail Guitar Doors [live] (3:04) - SSB
28. English Civil War [live] (2:30) - COB / SSB
29. Stay Free [live] (3:26) - SSB
30. Cheapskates [live] (3:14) - SSB
31. I Fought The Law [live] (2:21) - COB / FHT / SSB

EXTRAS

32. (White Man) In Hammersmith Palais [alt. version] (3:52) - Rock Against Racism - RAR’s Greatest Hits (LP)
33. Drug-Stabbing Time [live] (3:33) - FHT (iTunes bonus track)

Some live tracks have a different mix on different albums

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A journey into the Clash CDs discography, part 3: "LONDON CALLING" (MAR - DEC 1979)

JOE STRUMMER / MICK JONES / PAUL SIMONON / TOPPER HEADON

All tracks on the official CDs discography plus some essential extras. I am not infallible so...
In the references are indicated only the main CDs or cdsingle:
LCR - London Calling (remastered) / LC25 - London Calling (25th Anniversary Legacy Edition) (2CD+DVD) / SSB - Sound System Box / TSB - The Singles Box / SBM - Super Black Market Clash / BCM - Black Market Clash / RTB - Return To Brixton + 3 (cdsingle) / TIV - Train In Vain + 3 (picture cdsingle)


LONDON CALLING

01. London Calling (3:18) - LCR/LC25/SSB
02. Brand New Cadillac (2:07) - LCR/LC25/SSB
03. Jimmy Jazz (3:52) - LCR/LC25/SSB
04. Hateful (2:43) - LCR/LC25/SSB
05. Rudie Can’t Fail (3:27) - LCR/LC25/SSB
06. Spanish Bombs (3:18) - LCR/LC25/SSB
07. The Right Profile (3:52) - LCR/LC25/SSB
08. Lost In The Supermarket (3:46) - LCR/LC25/SSB
09. Clampdown (3:47) - LCR/LC25/SSB
10. The Guns Of Brixton (3:08) - LCR/LC25/SSB
11. Wrong ‘Em Boyo (3:09) - LCR/LC25/SSB
12. Death Or Glory (3:54) - LCR/LC25/SSB
13. Koka Kola (1:46) - LCR/LC25/SSB
14. The Card Cheat (3:48) - LCR/LC25/SSB
15. Lover’s Rock (4:02) - LCR/LC25/SSB
16. Four Horsemen (2:55) - LCR/LC25/SSB
17. I’m Not Down (3:06) - LCR/LC25/SSB
18. Revolution Rock (5:32) - LCR/LC25/SSB
19. Train In Vain (3:09) - LCR/LC25/SSB

THE VANILLA TAPES

20. Hateful (3:22) - LC25
21. Rudie Can’t Fail (3:08) - LC25
22. Paul’s Tune (2:32) - LC25
23. I’m Not Down (3:34) - LC25
24. 4 Horsemen (2:45) - LC25
25. Koka Kola, Advertising & Cocaine (1:57) - LC25
26. Death Or Glory (3:47) - LC25
27. Lover’s Rock (3:45) - LC25
28. Lonesome Me (2:09) - LC25
29. The Police Walked In 4 Jazz (2:19) - LC25
30. Lost In The Supermarket (3:52) - LC25
31. Up-Toon (1:57) - LC25
32. Walking The Slidewalk (2:34) - LC25
33. Where You Gonna Go (Soweto) (4:05) - LC25
34. The Man In Me (3:57) - LC25
35. Remote Control (2:39) - LC25
36. Working And Waiting (4:11) - LC25
37. Heart & Mind (4:27) - LC25
38. Brand New Cadillac (2:08) - LC25
39. London Calling (4:26) - LC25
40. Revolution Rock (3:51) - LC25

OTHER TRACKS

41. Armagideon Time (3:48) - TSB
42. Justice Tonight (4:07) - TSB
43. Kick It Over (4:43) - TSB
44. Justice Tonight / Kick It Over (8:51) - SBM
45. Justice Tonight / Kick It Over [edit] (6:58) - BCM
46. Return To Brixton [single version] (3:15) - RTB
47. Return To Brixton [12” version] (6:28) - RTB
48. Return To Brixton [SW2 dub] (5:19) - RTB
49. Train In Vain [91 remix] (3:00) - TIV

EXTRAS

50. Armagideon Time [live] (4:14) - Concerts For the People of Kampuchea (2LP)
51. London Calling [2012 mix] (3:20) - 7" A-side
52. London Calling [instrumental 2012 mix] (3:20) - 7" B-side
53. Rudie Can’t Fail [demo] (3:09) - This Is Music (15 New & Classic Tracks) (Uncut Magazine CD)

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A journey into the Clash CDs discography, part 4: "SANDINISTA!" (JAN 1980 - MAR 1981)

JOE STRUMMER / MICK JONES / PAUL SIMONON / TOPPER HEADON

All tracks on the official CDs discography plus some essential extras. I am not infallible so...
In the references are indicated only the main CDs or cdsingle:
SAR - Sandinista! (remastered) / SSB - Sound System Box / TSB - The Singles Box / SBM - Super Black Market Clash / BCM - Black Market Clash /
COB - Clash On Broadway (3CD) / COB91 - Clash On Broadway (Epic 46991) (3CD) / MIX - Mixed Masters (cdsingle 3”) / FHT - From Here To Eternity /
SEL - Selections From The Clash Live: Revolution Rock (Promo CD)


SANDINISTA!

01. The Magnificent Seven (5:32) - SAR / SSB
02. Hitsville U.K. (4:20) - SAR / SSB
03. Junco Partner (4:51) - SAR / SSB
04. Ivan Meets G.I. Joe (3:05) - SAR / SSB
05. The Leader (1:40) - SAR / SSB
06. Something About England (3:41) - SAR / SSB
07. Rebel Waltz (3:24) - SAR / SSB
08. Look Here (2:43) - SAR / SSB
09. The Crooked Beat (5:28) - SAR / SSB
10. Somebody Got Murdered (3:32) - SAR / SSB
11. One More Time (3:31) - SAR / SSB
12. One More Dub (3:34) - SAR / SSB
13. Lightning Strikes (Not Once But Twice) (4:50) - SAR / SSB
14. Up In Heaven (Not Only Here) (4:29) - SAR / SSB
15. Corner Soul (2:41) - SAR / SSB
16. Let’s Go Crazy (4:23) - SAR / SSB
17. If Music Could Talk (4:34) - SAR / SSB
18. The Sound Of Sinners (3:57) - SAR / SSB
19. Police On My Back (3:16) - SAR / SSB
20. Midnight Log (2:08) - SAR / SSB
21. The Equaliser (5:46) - SAR / SSB
22. The Call Up (5:25) - SAR / SSB
23. Washington Bullets (3:50) - SAR / SSB
24. Broadway / The Guns Of Brixton (5:46) - SAR / SSB
25. Lose This Skin (5:06) - SAR / SSB
26. Charlie Don’t Surf (4:54) - SAR / SSB
27. Mensforth Hill (3:42) - SAR / SSB
28. Junkie Slip (2:47) - SAR / SSB
29. Kingston Advice (2:35) - SAR / SSB
30. The Street Parade (3:26) - SAR / SSB
31. Version City (4:22) - SAR / SSB
32. Living In Fame (4:52) - SAR / SSB
33. Silicone On Sapphire (4:14) - SAR / SSB
34. Version Pardner (5:20) - SAR / SSB
35. Career Opportunities (2:29) - SAR / SSB
36. Shepherds Delight (3:25) - SAR / SSB

OTHER TRACKS

37. Bankrobber (4:32) - TSB
38. Rockers Galore… UK Tour (4:40) - TSB
39. Robber Dub (4:40) - SBM
40. Bankrobber / Robber Dub (6:15) - BCM
41. Stop The World (2:31) - TSB
42. Radio One (6:18) - TSB
43. The Magnificent Seven [single version] (3:37) - TSB
44. The Magnificent Dance [single version] (3:35) - TSB
45. The Magnificent Seven [12” version] (4:26) - TSB
46. The Magnificent Dance [12” version] (5:34) - TSB
47. The Cool Out (3:52) - TSB
48. Broadway (4:54) - COB
49. Every Little Bit Hurts (4:34) - COB
50. The Street Parade [edit] (3:17) - COB91
51. The Magnificent Seven [edit] (2:16) - MIX
52. Capital Radio One [live] (2:58) - FHT
53. Armagideon Time [live] (5:05) - FHT

EXTRAS

54. Radio One [extended version] (7:47) - 7" B-side
55. Train In Vain [live] (3:48) - SEL
56. Clampdown [live] (4:07) - SEL


For a complete overview of the period you can support these songs with the M.D. historical documents.

A journey into the Clash CDs discography, part 5: "THIS IS COMBAT ROCK" (APR. 1981 – MAY 1982)

JOE STRUMMER / MICK JONES / PAUL SIMONON / TOPPER HEADON

All tracks on the official CDs discography plus some essential extras. I am not infallible so...
In the references are indicated only the main CDs or cdsingle:
CRR - Combat Rock (remastered) / SSB - Sound System Box / TSB - The Singles Box / MIX - Mixed Masters (cdsingle 3”) / SBM - Super Black Market Clash / COB - Clash On Broadway (3CD) / CR91 - Combat Rock (Columbia 32787) / FHT - From Here To Eternity


COMBAT ROCK

01. Know Your Rights (3:39) - CRR / SSB
02. Car Jamming (3:58) - CRR / SSB
03. Should I Stay Or Should I Go (3:05) - CRR / SSB
04. Rock The Casbah (3:40) - CRR / SSB
05. Red Angel Dragnet (3:45) - CRR / SSB
06. Straight To Hell (5:28) - CRR / SSB
07. Overpowered By Funk (4:52) - CRR / SSB
08. Atom Tan (2:27) - CRR / SSB
09. Sean Flynn (4:30) - CRR / SSB
10. Ghetto Defendant (4:42) - CRR / SSB
11. Inoculated City (2:40) - CRR / SSB
12. Death Is A Star (3:11) - CRR / SSB

OTHER TRACKS

13. This Is Radio Clash (4:08) - TSB
14. Radio Clash (4:09) - TSB
15. Outside Broadcast (7:22) - TSB
16. Radio 5 (3:37) - TSB
17. This Is Radio Clash / Radio Clash (8:17) - MIX
18. Midnight To Stevens (4:35) - SSB
19. First Night Back In London (2:58) - SSB
20. Long Time Jerk (5:09) - SSB
21. Long Time Jerk [edit] (2:56) - SBM
22. Cool Confusion (3:13) - SSB
23. Straight To Hell [single version] (3:50) - TSB
24. Straight To Hell [extended version] (6:53) - COB
25. Straight To Hell [extended version fade-in] (6:49) - SSB
26. Rock The Casbah [US single mix] (3:39) - TSB
27. Mustapha Dance (4:24) - TSB
28. Inoculated City [censored version] (2:10) - CR91
29. Red Angel Dragnet [edit] (3:21) - COB
30. Ghetto Defendant [edit] (4:11) - COB
31. Ghetto Defendant [extended version] (6:12) - SSB
32. Sean Flynn [extended version] (7:20) - SSB
33. The Beautiful People Are Ugly Too (3:45) - SSB
34. Idle In Kangaroo Court (5:03) - SSB
35. Lightning Strikes (Not Once But Twice) [live] (3:36) - COB
36. Complete Control [live] (3:45) - FHT
37. Train In Vain [live] (4:43) - FHT
38. The Guns Of Brixton [live] (3:36) - FHT

EXTRAS

39. Cool Confusion [7” mix] (2:46) - 7" B-side


For a complete overview of the period you can support these songs with the M.D. historical documents.

A journey into the Clash CDs discography, part 6: "THE RETURN OF TERRY CHIMES" [MAY - DEC. 1982]

JOE STRUMMER / MICK JONES / PAUL SIMONON / TERRY CHIMES

All tracks on the official CDs discography plus some essential extras. I am not infallible so...
In the references are indicated only the main CDs or cdsingle:
LSS - Live At Shea Stadium / FHT - From Here To Eternity


LIVE AT SHEA STADIUM

01. Kosmo Vinyl Introduction [live] (1:10) - LSS
02. London Calling [live] (3:29) - LSS
03. Police On My Back [live] (3:28) - LSS
04. The Guns Of Brixton [live] (4:07) - LSS
05. Tommy Gun [live] (3:19) - LSS
06. The Magnificent Seven [live] (2:33) - LSS
07. Armagideon Time [live] (2:55) - LSS
08. The Magnificent Seven [Return] [live] (2:23) - LSS
09. Rock The Casbah [live] (3:21) - LSS
10. Train In Vain [live] (3:45) - LSS
11. Career Opportunities [live] (2:05) - LSS / FHT
12. Spanish Bombs [live] (3:18) - LSS
13. Clampdown [live] (4:26) - LSS
14. English Civil War [live] (2:39) - LSS
15. Should I Stay Or Should I Go? [live] (2:43) - LSS
16. I Fought The Law [live] (3:21) - LSS

OTHER TRACKS

17. Clash City Rockers [live] (3:30) - FHT
18. White Man In Hammersmith Palais [live] (4:28) - FHT
19. London Calling [live] (3:29) - FHT
20. The Magnificent Seven [live] (6:09) - FHT
21. Know Your Rights [live] (4:05) - FHT
22. Should I Stay Or Should I Go? [live] (3:14) - FHT
23. Straight To Hell [live] (7:21) - FHT

EXTRAS

24. Janie Jones [live] (2:45) - FHT (iTunes bonus track)


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A journey into the Clash CDs discography, part 7: "THE LAST DAYS WITH MICK JONES" (JAN. – SEP. 1983)

JOE STRUMMER / MICK JONES / PAUL SIMONON / PETE HOWARD

No official recordings (...for now)

An overview of the period is possible with the M.D. historical documents.
A journey into the Clash CDs discography, part 8: "WE ARE THE CLASH" (OCT. 1983 – JUL. 1985)

JOE STRUMMER / NICK SHEPPARD / VINCE WHITE / PAUL SIMONON / PETE HOWARD

All tracks on the official CDs discography plus some essential extras. I am not infallible so...
In the references are indicated only the main CDs or cdsingle:
CCR - Cut The Crap (remastered) / TSB - The Singles Box / UNW - Joe Strummer: The Future Is Unwritten


CUT THE CRAP

01. Dictator (2:59) - CCR
02. Dirty Punk (3:08) - CCR
03. We Are The Clash (3:00) - CCR
04. Are You Red…Y (2:59) - CCR
05. Cool Under Heat (3:20) - CCR
06. Movers And Shakers (3:00) - CCR
07. This Is England (3:49) - CCR
08. Three Card Trick (3:07) - CCR
09. Play To Win (3:06) - CCR
10. Fingerpoppin’ (3:23) - CCR
11. North And South (3:30) - CCR
12. Life Is Wild (2:38) - CCR

OTHER TRACKS

13. This Is England [single version] (3:33) - TSB
14. Do It Now (3:04) - TSB
15. Sex Mad Roar (2:57) - TSB

EXTRAS

16. This Is England [dub version] (3:11) - 7" A-side Holland (withdrawn)
17. (In The) Pouring Rain [live] (5:06) - UNW
18. Fingerpoppin' [AOR mix] (3:19) - 7" promo


For a complete overview of the period you can support these songs with the M.D. historical documents.

=====================================================================================================

This is the last part, I just hope that this work will be useful to someone.

The eight parts:

part 1: "THE CLASH" (JUL. 1976 - DEC. 1977)
part 2: "GIVE ‘EM ENOUGH ROPE" (JAN. 1978 - FEB. 1979)
part 3: "LONDON CALLING" (MAR. - DEC. 1979)
part 4: "SANDINISTA!" (JAN. 1980 - MAR. 1981)
part 5: "THIS IS COMBAT ROCK" (APR. 1981 – MAY 1982)
part 6: "THE RETURN OF TERRY CHIMES" (MAY - DEC. 1982)
part 7: "THE LAST DAYS WITH MICK JONES" (JAN. – SEP. 1983)
part 8: "WE ARE THE CLASH" (OCT. 1983 – JUL. 1985)

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Re: The Clash observations thread.

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muppet hi fi wrote:
29 Jan 2020, 6:33pm
Greil Marcus comments on NPR about 'London Calling' 40 years later. Some may find him obtuse or downright annoying at times, but I've always thought he was a great writer who thinks and feels deeply.

"I wouldn't change anything. The Clash, from the beginning, presented themselves as a revolutionary band. Take the most minor provocations or insults or humiliations and make statements about them through their music, pump them up with emotion, and fear, and a sense of jeopardy and a sense of defiance that created songs that made the people listening to them feel bigger, as if they were living in a bigger world where nothing was trivial."
That's great, love it. "It's bottomless. It doesn't wear out," would sum up my own feelings on LC perfectly. I just love to see it get the respect it deserves.

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Re: The Clash observations thread.

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laxman wrote:
29 Jan 2020, 6:46pm
101Walterton wrote:
16 Jan 2020, 3:27pm
Marky Dread wrote:
16 Jan 2020, 3:14pm
101Walterton wrote:
16 Jan 2020, 2:51pm
Marky Dread wrote:
16 Jan 2020, 2:45pm


Where is it mate?
Good question I can’t remember who did it but it wasn’t long ago?
There were several threads I think it was done either by year or album?
Nope never seen it. Only the thread that Matedog posted that was suggested by WestwayKid.
I hope it isn’t a Mandela effect 😳
I am convinced there was a series of threads where every Clash studio recorded track was listed and it was either done by calendar year or by album era with the singles demos and outtakes for each album?
You remember correctly;

A journey into the Clash CDs discography, part 1: "THE CLASH" (JUL.76 - DEC.77)

JOE STRUMMER / MICK JONES / KEITH LEVENE / PAUL SIMONON / TERRY CHIMES / ROB HARPER / TOPPER HEADON

All tracks on the official CDs discography plus some essential extras. I am not infallible so...
In the references are indicated only the main CDs or cdsingle:
TCR - The Clash (remastered) / SSB - Sound System Box / TSB - The Singles Box / SBM - Super Black Market Clash / TSC - The Story Of Clash, Vol.1 / UNW - Joe Strummer: The Future Is Unwritten / SEL - Selections From The Clash Live: Revolution Rock (Promo CD)


THE CLASH

01. Janie Jones (2:03) - TCR / SSB
02. Remote Control (2:58) - TCR / SSB
03. I’m So Bored With U.S.A. (2:23) - TCR / SSB
04. White Riot (1:53) - TCR / SSB
05. Hate & War (2:03) - TCR / SSB
06. What’s My Name (1:38) - TCR / SSB
07. Deny (3:01) - TCR / SSB
08. London’s Burning (2:08) - TCR / SSB
09. Career Opportunities (1:50) - TCR / SSB
10. Cheat (2:03) - TCR / SSB
11. Protex Blue (1:42) - TCR / SSB
12. Police & Thieves (5:58) - TCR / SSB
13. 48 Hours (1:33) - TCR / SSB
14. Garageland (3:10) - TCR / SSB

OTHER TRACKS

15. Janie Jones [demo Nov.76] (2:04) - SSB
16. Career Opportunities [demo Nov.76] (1:51) - SSB
17. London’s Burning [demo Nov.76] (1:55) - SSB
18. 1977 [demo Nov.76] 1:38 - SSB
19. White Riot [demo Nov.76] (1:54) - SSB
20. I’m So Bored With U.S.A. [demo Jan.77] (2:23) - SSB
21. London’s Burning [demo Jan.77] (1:56) - SSB
22. White Riot [demo Jan.77] (1:52) - SSB
23. 1977 [demo Jan.77] (1:46) - SSB
24. White Riot [single version] (1:57) - TSB
25. 1977 (1:38) - TSB
26. Listen [edit] (0:27) - TSB
27. Interview With The Clash On The Circle Line, Pt.1 (8:51) - TSB
28. Interview With The Clash On The Circle Line, Pt.2 (3:10) - TSB
29. Capital Radio One (2:08) - TSB
30. Listen (2:43) - SBM
31. Interview, Pt.2 / Capital Radio One (5:17) - TSC
32. Listen [edit] / Interviews (11:07) - SSB
33. London’s Burning [live] (2:09) - TSB
34. Complete Control (3:11) - TSB
35. City Of The Dead (2:21) - TSB
36. Clash City Rockers [single version] (3:46) - TSB
37. Jail Guitar Doors (3:03) - TSB
38. Clash City Rockers [original version] (3:55) - SSB

EXTRAS

39. White Riot [demo Jan.77 alt. mix] (2:21) - UNW
40. White Riot [demo Apr.77] (1:48) - SEL
41. 1977 [demo Apr.77] (1:47) - SEL
42. London’s Burning [demo Apr.77] (2:04) - SEL

For a complete overview of the period you can support these songs with the M.D. historical documents

A journey into the Clash CDs discography, part 2: "GIVE ‘EM ENOUGH ROPE" (JAN 1978 - FEB 1979)

JOE STRUMMER / MICK JONES / PAUL SIMONON / TOPPER HEADON

All tracks on the official CDs discography plus some essential extras. I am not infallible so...
In the references are indicated only the main CDs or cdsingle:
GER - Give 'Em Enough Rope (remastered) / SSB - Sound System Box / TSB - The Singles Box / BCM - Black Market Clash / COB - Clash On Broadway (3CD) / COB91 - Clash On Broadway (Epic 46991) (3CD) / FHT - From Here To Eternity

GIVE ‘EM ENOUGH ROPE

01. Safe European Home (3:48) - GER / SSB
02. English Civil War (2:35) - GER / SSB
03. Tommy Gun (3:13) - GER / SSB
04. Julie's Been Working For The Drug Squad (3:02) - GER / SSB
05. Last Gang In Town (5:10) - GER / SSB
06. Guns On The Roof (3:15) - GER / SSB
07. Drug-Stabbing Time (3:41) - GER / SSB
08. Stay Free (3:37) - GER / SSB
09. Cheapskates (3:23) - GER / SSB
10. All The Young Punks (New Boots And Contracts) (4:54) - GER / SSB

OTHER TRACKS

11. (White Man) In Hammersmith Palais (3:59) - TSB
12. The Prisoner (2:58) - TSB
13. 1-2 Crush On You (2:58) - TSB
14. Pressure Drop (3:24) - TSB
15. Pressure Drop [alt. mix] (3:25) - BCM
16. I Fought The Law (2:39) - TSB
17. Groovy Times (3:28) - TSB
18. Gates Of The West (3:25) - TSB
19. Capital Radio Two (3:18) - TSB
20. The Cost Of Living Advert (0:43) - TSB (Japan issue only)
21. Time Is Tight (4:04) - BCM / SSB
22. One Emotion (4:37) - COB
23. One Emotion [edit] (4:10) - COB91
24. London’s Burning [live] (2:03) - FHT
25. What’s My Name [live] (1:43) - FHT
26. City Of The Dead [live] (2:55) - FHT / SSB
27. Jail Guitar Doors [live] (3:04) - SSB
28. English Civil War [live] (2:30) - COB / SSB
29. Stay Free [live] (3:26) - SSB
30. Cheapskates [live] (3:14) - SSB
31. I Fought The Law [live] (2:21) - COB / FHT / SSB

EXTRAS

32. (White Man) In Hammersmith Palais [alt. version] (3:52) - Rock Against Racism - RAR’s Greatest Hits (LP)
33. Drug-Stabbing Time [live] (3:33) - FHT (iTunes bonus track)

Some live tracks have a different mix on different albums

For a complete overview of the period you can support these songs with the M.D. historical documents.

A journey into the Clash CDs discography, part 3: "LONDON CALLING" (MAR - DEC 1979)

JOE STRUMMER / MICK JONES / PAUL SIMONON / TOPPER HEADON

All tracks on the official CDs discography plus some essential extras. I am not infallible so...
In the references are indicated only the main CDs or cdsingle:
LCR - London Calling (remastered) / LC25 - London Calling (25th Anniversary Legacy Edition) (2CD+DVD) / SSB - Sound System Box / TSB - The Singles Box / SBM - Super Black Market Clash / BCM - Black Market Clash / RTB - Return To Brixton + 3 (cdsingle) / TIV - Train In Vain + 3 (picture cdsingle)


LONDON CALLING

01. London Calling (3:18) - LCR/LC25/SSB
02. Brand New Cadillac (2:07) - LCR/LC25/SSB
03. Jimmy Jazz (3:52) - LCR/LC25/SSB
04. Hateful (2:43) - LCR/LC25/SSB
05. Rudie Can’t Fail (3:27) - LCR/LC25/SSB
06. Spanish Bombs (3:18) - LCR/LC25/SSB
07. The Right Profile (3:52) - LCR/LC25/SSB
08. Lost In The Supermarket (3:46) - LCR/LC25/SSB
09. Clampdown (3:47) - LCR/LC25/SSB
10. The Guns Of Brixton (3:08) - LCR/LC25/SSB
11. Wrong ‘Em Boyo (3:09) - LCR/LC25/SSB
12. Death Or Glory (3:54) - LCR/LC25/SSB
13. Koka Kola (1:46) - LCR/LC25/SSB
14. The Card Cheat (3:48) - LCR/LC25/SSB
15. Lover’s Rock (4:02) - LCR/LC25/SSB
16. Four Horsemen (2:55) - LCR/LC25/SSB
17. I’m Not Down (3:06) - LCR/LC25/SSB
18. Revolution Rock (5:32) - LCR/LC25/SSB
19. Train In Vain (3:09) - LCR/LC25/SSB

THE VANILLA TAPES

20. Hateful (3:22) - LC25
21. Rudie Can’t Fail (3:08) - LC25
22. Paul’s Tune (2:32) - LC25
23. I’m Not Down (3:34) - LC25
24. 4 Horsemen (2:45) - LC25
25. Koka Kola, Advertising & Cocaine (1:57) - LC25
26. Death Or Glory (3:47) - LC25
27. Lover’s Rock (3:45) - LC25
28. Lonesome Me (2:09) - LC25
29. The Police Walked In 4 Jazz (2:19) - LC25
30. Lost In The Supermarket (3:52) - LC25
31. Up-Toon (1:57) - LC25
32. Walking The Slidewalk (2:34) - LC25
33. Where You Gonna Go (Soweto) (4:05) - LC25
34. The Man In Me (3:57) - LC25
35. Remote Control (2:39) - LC25
36. Working And Waiting (4:11) - LC25
37. Heart & Mind (4:27) - LC25
38. Brand New Cadillac (2:08) - LC25
39. London Calling (4:26) - LC25
40. Revolution Rock (3:51) - LC25

OTHER TRACKS

41. Armagideon Time (3:48) - TSB
42. Justice Tonight (4:07) - TSB
43. Kick It Over (4:43) - TSB
44. Justice Tonight / Kick It Over (8:51) - SBM
45. Justice Tonight / Kick It Over [edit] (6:58) - BCM
46. Return To Brixton [single version] (3:15) - RTB
47. Return To Brixton [12” version] (6:28) - RTB
48. Return To Brixton [SW2 dub] (5:19) - RTB
49. Train In Vain [91 remix] (3:00) - TIV

EXTRAS

50. Armagideon Time [live] (4:14) - Concerts For the People of Kampuchea (2LP)
51. London Calling [2012 mix] (3:20) - 7" A-side
52. London Calling [instrumental 2012 mix] (3:20) - 7" B-side
53. Rudie Can’t Fail [demo] (3:09) - This Is Music (15 New & Classic Tracks) (Uncut Magazine CD)

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A journey into the Clash CDs discography, part 4: "SANDINISTA!" (JAN 1980 - MAR 1981)

JOE STRUMMER / MICK JONES / PAUL SIMONON / TOPPER HEADON

All tracks on the official CDs discography plus some essential extras. I am not infallible so...
In the references are indicated only the main CDs or cdsingle:
SAR - Sandinista! (remastered) / SSB - Sound System Box / TSB - The Singles Box / SBM - Super Black Market Clash / BCM - Black Market Clash /
COB - Clash On Broadway (3CD) / COB91 - Clash On Broadway (Epic 46991) (3CD) / MIX - Mixed Masters (cdsingle 3”) / FHT - From Here To Eternity /
SEL - Selections From The Clash Live: Revolution Rock (Promo CD)


SANDINISTA!

01. The Magnificent Seven (5:32) - SAR / SSB
02. Hitsville U.K. (4:20) - SAR / SSB
03. Junco Partner (4:51) - SAR / SSB
04. Ivan Meets G.I. Joe (3:05) - SAR / SSB
05. The Leader (1:40) - SAR / SSB
06. Something About England (3:41) - SAR / SSB
07. Rebel Waltz (3:24) - SAR / SSB
08. Look Here (2:43) - SAR / SSB
09. The Crooked Beat (5:28) - SAR / SSB
10. Somebody Got Murdered (3:32) - SAR / SSB
11. One More Time (3:31) - SAR / SSB
12. One More Dub (3:34) - SAR / SSB
13. Lightning Strikes (Not Once But Twice) (4:50) - SAR / SSB
14. Up In Heaven (Not Only Here) (4:29) - SAR / SSB
15. Corner Soul (2:41) - SAR / SSB
16. Let’s Go Crazy (4:23) - SAR / SSB
17. If Music Could Talk (4:34) - SAR / SSB
18. The Sound Of Sinners (3:57) - SAR / SSB
19. Police On My Back (3:16) - SAR / SSB
20. Midnight Log (2:08) - SAR / SSB
21. The Equaliser (5:46) - SAR / SSB
22. The Call Up (5:25) - SAR / SSB
23. Washington Bullets (3:50) - SAR / SSB
24. Broadway / The Guns Of Brixton (5:46) - SAR / SSB
25. Lose This Skin (5:06) - SAR / SSB
26. Charlie Don’t Surf (4:54) - SAR / SSB
27. Mensforth Hill (3:42) - SAR / SSB
28. Junkie Slip (2:47) - SAR / SSB
29. Kingston Advice (2:35) - SAR / SSB
30. The Street Parade (3:26) - SAR / SSB
31. Version City (4:22) - SAR / SSB
32. Living In Fame (4:52) - SAR / SSB
33. Silicone On Sapphire (4:14) - SAR / SSB
34. Version Pardner (5:20) - SAR / SSB
35. Career Opportunities (2:29) - SAR / SSB
36. Shepherds Delight (3:25) - SAR / SSB

OTHER TRACKS

37. Bankrobber (4:32) - TSB
38. Rockers Galore… UK Tour (4:40) - TSB
39. Robber Dub (4:40) - SBM
40. Bankrobber / Robber Dub (6:15) - BCM
41. Stop The World (2:31) - TSB
42. Radio One (6:18) - TSB
43. The Magnificent Seven [single version] (3:37) - TSB
44. The Magnificent Dance [single version] (3:35) - TSB
45. The Magnificent Seven [12” version] (4:26) - TSB
46. The Magnificent Dance [12” version] (5:34) - TSB
47. The Cool Out (3:52) - TSB
48. Broadway (4:54) - COB
49. Every Little Bit Hurts (4:34) - COB
50. The Street Parade [edit] (3:17) - COB91
51. The Magnificent Seven [edit] (2:16) - MIX
52. Capital Radio One [live] (2:58) - FHT
53. Armagideon Time [live] (5:05) - FHT

EXTRAS

54. Radio One [extended version] (7:47) - 7" B-side
55. Train In Vain [live] (3:48) - SEL
56. Clampdown [live] (4:07) - SEL


For a complete overview of the period you can support these songs with the M.D. historical documents.

A journey into the Clash CDs discography, part 5: "THIS IS COMBAT ROCK" (APR. 1981 – MAY 1982)

JOE STRUMMER / MICK JONES / PAUL SIMONON / TOPPER HEADON

All tracks on the official CDs discography plus some essential extras. I am not infallible so...
In the references are indicated only the main CDs or cdsingle:
CRR - Combat Rock (remastered) / SSB - Sound System Box / TSB - The Singles Box / MIX - Mixed Masters (cdsingle 3”) / SBM - Super Black Market Clash / COB - Clash On Broadway (3CD) / CR91 - Combat Rock (Columbia 32787) / FHT - From Here To Eternity


COMBAT ROCK

01. Know Your Rights (3:39) - CRR / SSB
02. Car Jamming (3:58) - CRR / SSB
03. Should I Stay Or Should I Go (3:05) - CRR / SSB
04. Rock The Casbah (3:40) - CRR / SSB
05. Red Angel Dragnet (3:45) - CRR / SSB
06. Straight To Hell (5:28) - CRR / SSB
07. Overpowered By Funk (4:52) - CRR / SSB
08. Atom Tan (2:27) - CRR / SSB
09. Sean Flynn (4:30) - CRR / SSB
10. Ghetto Defendant (4:42) - CRR / SSB
11. Inoculated City (2:40) - CRR / SSB
12. Death Is A Star (3:11) - CRR / SSB

OTHER TRACKS

13. This Is Radio Clash (4:08) - TSB
14. Radio Clash (4:09) - TSB
15. Outside Broadcast (7:22) - TSB
16. Radio 5 (3:37) - TSB
17. This Is Radio Clash / Radio Clash (8:17) - MIX
18. Midnight To Stevens (4:35) - SSB
19. First Night Back In London (2:58) - SSB
20. Long Time Jerk (5:09) - SSB
21. Long Time Jerk [edit] (2:56) - SBM
22. Cool Confusion (3:13) - SSB
23. Straight To Hell [single version] (3:50) - TSB
24. Straight To Hell [extended version] (6:53) - COB
25. Straight To Hell [extended version fade-in] (6:49) - SSB
26. Rock The Casbah [US single mix] (3:39) - TSB
27. Mustapha Dance (4:24) - TSB
28. Inoculated City [censored version] (2:10) - CR91
29. Red Angel Dragnet [edit] (3:21) - COB
30. Ghetto Defendant [edit] (4:11) - COB
31. Ghetto Defendant [extended version] (6:12) - SSB
32. Sean Flynn [extended version] (7:20) - SSB
33. The Beautiful People Are Ugly Too (3:45) - SSB
34. Idle In Kangaroo Court (5:03) - SSB
35. Lightning Strikes (Not Once But Twice) [live] (3:36) - COB
36. Complete Control [live] (3:45) - FHT
37. Train In Vain [live] (4:43) - FHT
38. The Guns Of Brixton [live] (3:36) - FHT

EXTRAS

39. Cool Confusion [7” mix] (2:46) - 7" B-side


For a complete overview of the period you can support these songs with the M.D. historical documents.

A journey into the Clash CDs discography, part 6: "THE RETURN OF TERRY CHIMES" [MAY - DEC. 1982]

JOE STRUMMER / MICK JONES / PAUL SIMONON / TERRY CHIMES

All tracks on the official CDs discography plus some essential extras. I am not infallible so...
In the references are indicated only the main CDs or cdsingle:
LSS - Live At Shea Stadium / FHT - From Here To Eternity


LIVE AT SHEA STADIUM

01. Kosmo Vinyl Introduction [live] (1:10) - LSS
02. London Calling [live] (3:29) - LSS
03. Police On My Back [live] (3:28) - LSS
04. The Guns Of Brixton [live] (4:07) - LSS
05. Tommy Gun [live] (3:19) - LSS
06. The Magnificent Seven [live] (2:33) - LSS
07. Armagideon Time [live] (2:55) - LSS
08. The Magnificent Seven [Return] [live] (2:23) - LSS
09. Rock The Casbah [live] (3:21) - LSS
10. Train In Vain [live] (3:45) - LSS
11. Career Opportunities [live] (2:05) - LSS / FHT
12. Spanish Bombs [live] (3:18) - LSS
13. Clampdown [live] (4:26) - LSS
14. English Civil War [live] (2:39) - LSS
15. Should I Stay Or Should I Go? [live] (2:43) - LSS
16. I Fought The Law [live] (3:21) - LSS

OTHER TRACKS

17. Clash City Rockers [live] (3:30) - FHT
18. White Man In Hammersmith Palais [live] (4:28) - FHT
19. London Calling [live] (3:29) - FHT
20. The Magnificent Seven [live] (6:09) - FHT
21. Know Your Rights [live] (4:05) - FHT
22. Should I Stay Or Should I Go? [live] (3:14) - FHT
23. Straight To Hell [live] (7:21) - FHT

EXTRAS

24. Janie Jones [live] (2:45) - FHT (iTunes bonus track)


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A journey into the Clash CDs discography, part 7: "THE LAST DAYS WITH MICK JONES" (JAN. – SEP. 1983)

JOE STRUMMER / MICK JONES / PAUL SIMONON / PETE HOWARD

No official recordings (...for now)

An overview of the period is possible with the M.D. historical documents.
A journey into the Clash CDs discography, part 8: "WE ARE THE CLASH" (OCT. 1983 – JUL. 1985)

JOE STRUMMER / NICK SHEPPARD / VINCE WHITE / PAUL SIMONON / PETE HOWARD

All tracks on the official CDs discography plus some essential extras. I am not infallible so...
In the references are indicated only the main CDs or cdsingle:
CCR - Cut The Crap (remastered) / TSB - The Singles Box / UNW - Joe Strummer: The Future Is Unwritten


CUT THE CRAP

01. Dictator (2:59) - CCR
02. Dirty Punk (3:08) - CCR
03. We Are The Clash (3:00) - CCR
04. Are You Red…Y (2:59) - CCR
05. Cool Under Heat (3:20) - CCR
06. Movers And Shakers (3:00) - CCR
07. This Is England (3:49) - CCR
08. Three Card Trick (3:07) - CCR
09. Play To Win (3:06) - CCR
10. Fingerpoppin’ (3:23) - CCR
11. North And South (3:30) - CCR
12. Life Is Wild (2:38) - CCR

OTHER TRACKS

13. This Is England [single version] (3:33) - TSB
14. Do It Now (3:04) - TSB
15. Sex Mad Roar (2:57) - TSB

EXTRAS

16. This Is England [dub version] (3:11) - 7" A-side Holland (withdrawn)
17. (In The) Pouring Rain [live] (5:06) - UNW
18. Fingerpoppin' [AOR mix] (3:19) - 7" promo


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This is the last part, I just hope that this work will be useful to someone.

The eight parts:

part 1: "THE CLASH" (JUL. 1976 - DEC. 1977)
part 2: "GIVE ‘EM ENOUGH ROPE" (JAN. 1978 - FEB. 1979)
part 3: "LONDON CALLING" (MAR. - DEC. 1979)
part 4: "SANDINISTA!" (JAN. 1980 - MAR. 1981)
part 5: "THIS IS COMBAT ROCK" (APR. 1981 – MAY 1982)
part 6: "THE RETURN OF TERRY CHIMES" (MAY - DEC. 1982)
part 7: "THE LAST DAYS WITH MICK JONES" (JAN. – SEP. 1983)
part 8: "WE ARE THE CLASH" (OCT. 1983 – JUL. 1985)
Thanks Lax yes that is what I was thinking of.

Have you commented on that recent Dexys/ Rowland post? Keen to hear your opinion as you are the board Dexys expert.

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Re: The Clash observations thread.

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Low Down Low wrote:
29 Jan 2020, 6:48pm
muppet hi fi wrote:
29 Jan 2020, 6:33pm
Greil Marcus comments on NPR about 'London Calling' 40 years later. Some may find him obtuse or downright annoying at times, but I've always thought he was a great writer who thinks and feels deeply.

"I wouldn't change anything. The Clash, from the beginning, presented themselves as a revolutionary band. Take the most minor provocations or insults or humiliations and make statements about them through their music, pump them up with emotion, and fear, and a sense of jeopardy and a sense of defiance that created songs that made the people listening to them feel bigger, as if they were living in a bigger world where nothing was trivial."
That's great, love it. "It's bottomless. It doesn't wear out," would sum up my own feelings on LC perfectly. I just love to see it get the respect it deserves.
Right. And this:
" There's a wonderful sense that life is a struggle, and that the struggle justifies itself; that only when you're in touch with a sense of struggle are you in touch with, let's say, humor, delight, pain, suffering, anger, whatever."
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Re: The Clash observations thread.

Post by Marky Dread »

muppet hi fi wrote:
29 Jan 2020, 8:09pm
Low Down Low wrote:
29 Jan 2020, 6:48pm
muppet hi fi wrote:
29 Jan 2020, 6:33pm
Greil Marcus comments on NPR about 'London Calling' 40 years later. Some may find him obtuse or downright annoying at times, but I've always thought he was a great writer who thinks and feels deeply.

"I wouldn't change anything. The Clash, from the beginning, presented themselves as a revolutionary band. Take the most minor provocations or insults or humiliations and make statements about them through their music, pump them up with emotion, and fear, and a sense of jeopardy and a sense of defiance that created songs that made the people listening to them feel bigger, as if they were living in a bigger world where nothing was trivial."
That's great, love it. "It's bottomless. It doesn't wear out," would sum up my own feelings on LC perfectly. I just love to see it get the respect it deserves.
Right. And this:
" There's a wonderful sense that life is a struggle, and that the struggle justifies itself; that only when you're in touch with a sense of struggle are you in touch with, let's say, humor, delight, pain, suffering, anger, whatever."
I read Lipstick Traces a long time ago now but boy does he know how to babble on.
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Marky Dread wrote:
30 Jan 2020, 5:37am
muppet hi fi wrote:
29 Jan 2020, 8:09pm
Low Down Low wrote:
29 Jan 2020, 6:48pm
muppet hi fi wrote:
29 Jan 2020, 6:33pm
Greil Marcus comments on NPR about 'London Calling' 40 years later. Some may find him obtuse or downright annoying at times, but I've always thought he was a great writer who thinks and feels deeply.

"I wouldn't change anything. The Clash, from the beginning, presented themselves as a revolutionary band. Take the most minor provocations or insults or humiliations and make statements about them through their music, pump them up with emotion, and fear, and a sense of jeopardy and a sense of defiance that created songs that made the people listening to them feel bigger, as if they were living in a bigger world where nothing was trivial."
That's great, love it. "It's bottomless. It doesn't wear out," would sum up my own feelings on LC perfectly. I just love to see it get the respect it deserves.
Right. And this:
" There's a wonderful sense that life is a struggle, and that the struggle justifies itself; that only when you're in touch with a sense of struggle are you in touch with, let's say, humor, delight, pain, suffering, anger, whatever."
I read Lipstick Traces a long time ago now but boy does he know how to babble on.
Maybe he suffers from anxiety, because that's what babble on's burning with ;)

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muppet hi fi wrote:
29 Jan 2020, 8:09pm
Low Down Low wrote:
29 Jan 2020, 6:48pm
muppet hi fi wrote:
29 Jan 2020, 6:33pm
Greil Marcus comments on NPR about 'London Calling' 40 years later. Some may find him obtuse or downright annoying at times, but I've always thought he was a great writer who thinks and feels deeply.

"I wouldn't change anything. The Clash, from the beginning, presented themselves as a revolutionary band. Take the most minor provocations or insults or humiliations and make statements about them through their music, pump them up with emotion, and fear, and a sense of jeopardy and a sense of defiance that created songs that made the people listening to them feel bigger, as if they were living in a bigger world where nothing was trivial."
That's great, love it. "It's bottomless. It doesn't wear out," would sum up my own feelings on LC perfectly. I just love to see it get the respect it deserves.
Right. And this:
" There's a wonderful sense that life is a struggle, and that the struggle justifies itself; that only when you're in touch with a sense of struggle are you in touch with, let's say, humor, delight, pain, suffering, anger, whatever."
To be honest, i thought that bit was just stretching it out a little, as marky says there, he tends to go on a bit. But i was impressed with the totality of the analysis, i just love that damn record so much and that helps me a little to figure out why.

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Marky Dread wrote:
30 Jan 2020, 5:37am
I read Lipstick Traces a long time ago now but boy does he know how to babble on.
I'll credit him with coming up with very good premises and within those a couple interesting ideas, but then he smothers it all with tons of bullshit and hyperbole. He irritates the fuck out of me because I can't easily dismiss him, but reading him is more like prospecting for those rare bits of value.
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Re: The Clash observations thread.

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Dr. Medulla wrote:
30 Jan 2020, 7:15am
Marky Dread wrote:
30 Jan 2020, 5:37am
I read Lipstick Traces a long time ago now but boy does he know how to babble on.
I'll credit him with coming up with very good premises and within those a couple interesting ideas, but then he smothers it all with tons of bullshit and hyperbole. He irritates the fuck out of me because I can't easily dismiss him, but reading him is more like prospecting for those rare bits of value.
A couple of books I've read of his, on Van Morrison and various songwriters, i thought quite interesting in parts but nothing that couldnt have been achieved by means of a long essay. But that's what book writers often do in terms of recylcling ideas, i guess. The old phrase 'too much bread and not enough butter' springs to mind.

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Low Down Low wrote:
30 Jan 2020, 7:31am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
30 Jan 2020, 7:15am
Marky Dread wrote:
30 Jan 2020, 5:37am
I read Lipstick Traces a long time ago now but boy does he know how to babble on.
I'll credit him with coming up with very good premises and within those a couple interesting ideas, but then he smothers it all with tons of bullshit and hyperbole. He irritates the fuck out of me because I can't easily dismiss him, but reading him is more like prospecting for those rare bits of value.
A couple of books I've read of his, on Van Morrison and various songwriters, i thought quite interesting in parts but nothing that couldnt have been achieved by means of a long essay. But that's what book writers often do in terms of recylcling ideas, i guess. The old phrase 'too much bread and not enough butter' springs to mind.
His style is to throw as much shit against the wall as he can and hope enough sticks to convince that the overall effort was worth it. And I begrudgingly admit that there is some value to stuff like Lipstick Traces or Invisible Republic, certainly enough to generate a lively discussion, but I still spending a lot of the reading experience being annoyed as hell by the meandering slog. His style violates a cardinal rule of writing: don't waste the reader's time.
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laxman wrote:
30 Jan 2020, 5:55am
Marky Dread wrote:
30 Jan 2020, 5:37am
muppet hi fi wrote:
29 Jan 2020, 8:09pm
Low Down Low wrote:
29 Jan 2020, 6:48pm
muppet hi fi wrote:
29 Jan 2020, 6:33pm
Greil Marcus comments on NPR about 'London Calling' 40 years later. Some may find him obtuse or downright annoying at times, but I've always thought he was a great writer who thinks and feels deeply.

"I wouldn't change anything. The Clash, from the beginning, presented themselves as a revolutionary band. Take the most minor provocations or insults or humiliations and make statements about them through their music, pump them up with emotion, and fear, and a sense of jeopardy and a sense of defiance that created songs that made the people listening to them feel bigger, as if they were living in a bigger world where nothing was trivial."
That's great, love it. "It's bottomless. It doesn't wear out," would sum up my own feelings on LC perfectly. I just love to see it get the respect it deserves.
Right. And this:
" There's a wonderful sense that life is a struggle, and that the struggle justifies itself; that only when you're in touch with a sense of struggle are you in touch with, let's say, humor, delight, pain, suffering, anger, whatever."
I read Lipstick Traces a long time ago now but boy does he know how to babble on.
Maybe he suffers from anxiety, because that's what babble on's burning with ;)
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