The Clash observations thread.

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matedog wrote:
22 Mar 2018, 1:55pm
Kory wrote:
22 Mar 2018, 1:37pm
matedog wrote:
22 Mar 2018, 10:01am
Kory wrote:
21 Mar 2018, 7:58pm
matedog wrote:
21 Mar 2018, 4:47pm
Just checked, I last contacted the guy with the Monterey footage almost five years ago. Thinking I'll check in again soon. Last time, I offered him $1K for the footage which he balked at. I'll see if the offer stands (though I'm way less able to throw out a grand for something like that these days).
*Edit* - I offered $500 not $1K five years ago.
Can you remind me what the story was here?
There was a guy that shot footage of The Clash at Monterey in 79. There is a snippet of it in The Future is Unwritten of Joe crashing into Topper's kit. I included it in that weird tribute I made forever ago:


Daniel Garcia was working on Rise and Fall and was getting nowhere with the guy that owns the footage and I offered to get in touch as the guys office is in SF. I got nowhere with him and got some really weird responses from him. Here's an excerpt:
"He was not offering anything of substance in regards to footage price,rights,indemnity, ect. ! I therefore was giving nothing back so how are you any different in this regard ? Film making my man is a business first and foremost and not a dreamy glory sport for fools folly so let us get that straight immediately if we are to continue talk at all !

I do not like Corporate or for that matter Artistic Raiders making there precious little films for nothing on the backs of Filmmakers that were
in the trenches doing the hard work back in the day and now getting nothing for there hard efforts. Exploitation by Venture Vulture types exploiting to a great degree at some future date in time for there precious little new films is simply not where I'm at !

These new generation filmmakers were never there in the first place back in the day so why should I care about this project at all in my mind you are just in a long line of pretenders at best and that is not cool at all in my book especially when being unreasonable about footage value !"

I offered him $500 for the footage five years ago and I'll offer again. I figured if no one else is biting, then my offer might get sweeter.
I'd be concerned that he'd take the money and run, based on that message. In any case, I'd be willing to throw in some dough if it helps us get the footage.
Yeah, I'm cautious about crowdfunding to purchase this. I don't really see raising more than $1K, but I suppose I could try and maybe solicit that fb group. This guy doesn't seem particularly warm to fan culture and I don't think cares about the band at all, so raising a chunk of change might just get him excited and think he has a bigger buyer somewhere else.

Ideally, I'd get the footage, sync up the good audio tape that we have and just distribute for free. No one cares about this shit but us, so I don't have delusions about trying to make money off of this.
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Marky Dread wrote:
22 Mar 2018, 1:55pm
Kory wrote:
22 Mar 2018, 1:37pm
matedog wrote:
22 Mar 2018, 10:01am
Kory wrote:
21 Mar 2018, 7:58pm
matedog wrote:
21 Mar 2018, 4:47pm
Just checked, I last contacted the guy with the Monterey footage almost five years ago. Thinking I'll check in again soon. Last time, I offered him $1K for the footage which he balked at. I'll see if the offer stands (though I'm way less able to throw out a grand for something like that these days).
*Edit* - I offered $500 not $1K five years ago.
Can you remind me what the story was here?
There was a guy that shot footage of The Clash at Monterey in 79. There is a snippet of it in The Future is Unwritten of Joe crashing into Topper's kit. I included it in that weird tribute I made forever ago:


Daniel Garcia was working on Rise and Fall and was getting nowhere with the guy that owns the footage and I offered to get in touch as the guys office is in SF. I got nowhere with him and got some really weird responses from him. Here's an excerpt:
"He was not offering anything of substance in regards to footage price,rights,indemnity, ect. ! I therefore was giving nothing back so how are you any different in this regard ? Film making my man is a business first and foremost and not a dreamy glory sport for fools folly so let us get that straight immediately if we are to continue talk at all !

I do not like Corporate or for that matter Artistic Raiders making there precious little films for nothing on the backs of Filmmakers that were
in the trenches doing the hard work back in the day and now getting nothing for there hard efforts. Exploitation by Venture Vulture types exploiting to a great degree at some future date in time for there precious little new films is simply not where I'm at !

These new generation filmmakers were never there in the first place back in the day so why should I care about this project at all in my mind you are just in a long line of pretenders at best and that is not cool at all in my book especially when being unreasonable about footage value !"

I offered him $500 for the footage five years ago and I'll offer again. I figured if no one else is biting, then my offer might get sweeter.
I'd be concerned that he'd take the money and run, based on that message. In any case, I'd be willing to throw in some dough if it helps us get the footage.
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I really like this version of Radio Clash, some neat rhythm work from Joe and Terry ain't too bad...Joe was singing so much better in 82.

There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board

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I really like this version of Radio Clash, some neat rhythm work from Joe and Terry ain't too bad...Joe was singing so much better in 82.

Good performance all around except Terry plays a leaden variation of Topper's beat. His insistence on bass drum on 3 vs. the and of 3 takes a slightly funky beat and makes it zero funk. Always bugs me.
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Heston wrote:
22 Mar 2018, 4:15pm
I really like this version of Radio Clash, some neat rhythm work from Joe and Terry ain't too bad...Joe was singing so much better in 82.

Sure was, and playing guitar better too. His tone is fuller, he was usually mixed better and louder, and he doesn't just randomly stop playing for emoting purposes or whatever his reasons were previously.
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Heston wrote:
22 Mar 2018, 4:15pm
I really like this version of Radio Clash, some neat rhythm work from Joe and Terry ain't too bad...Joe was singing so much better in 82.

Is that from Akron? A while since I listened to it but i really like that show. Great sound too.

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Low Down Low wrote:
22 Mar 2018, 6:29pm
Heston wrote:
22 Mar 2018, 4:15pm
I really like this version of Radio Clash, some neat rhythm work from Joe and Terry ain't too bad...Joe was singing so much better in 82.

Is that from Akron? A while since I listened to it but i really like that show. Great sound too.
Good sound if a bit sterile due to low crowd noise. Paul's bass sound is a bit rough too, probably the fartiest he ever got.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board

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Heston wrote:
22 Mar 2018, 6:39pm
Low Down Low wrote:
22 Mar 2018, 6:29pm
Heston wrote:
22 Mar 2018, 4:15pm
I really like this version of Radio Clash, some neat rhythm work from Joe and Terry ain't too bad...Joe was singing so much better in 82.

Is that from Akron? A while since I listened to it but i really like that show. Great sound too.
Good sound if a bit sterile due to low crowd noise. Paul's bass sound is a bit rough too, probably the fartiest he ever got.
I prefer low crowd noise in a live show, but I'm not going to defend that bass sound.
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Heston wrote:
22 Mar 2018, 6:39pm
Low Down Low wrote:
22 Mar 2018, 6:29pm
Heston wrote:
22 Mar 2018, 4:15pm
I really like this version of Radio Clash, some neat rhythm work from Joe and Terry ain't too bad...Joe was singing so much better in 82.

Is that from Akron? A while since I listened to it but i really like that show. Great sound too.
Good sound if a bit sterile due to low crowd noise. Paul's bass sound is a bit rough too, probably the fartiest he ever got.
Yeah it's not vintage Clash and the bass lets it down, but I do like what they were doing with some of the songs, bit more pared down than usual. The Call Up from Akron is immense.

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Observation: at the very end of 'S!', right after "Shepherd's Delight", there's ambient noise and someone says "Could it really happen?" and Joe says "I hope." And then what sounds like a missile being launched ends the album. I always thought that seemed a tad nihilistic and very un-Joe, assuming, as I used to as a wee misanthrope, that he was saying human-kind deserves to get nuked. Any thoughts on that passage?
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muppet hi fi wrote:
23 Mar 2018, 7:09pm
Observation: at the very end of 'S!', right after "Shepherd's Delight", there's ambient noise and someone says "Could it really happen?" and Joe says "I hope." And then what sounds like a missile being launched ends the album. I always thought that seemed a tad nihilistic and very un-Joe, assuming, as I used to as a wee misanthrope, that he was saying human-kind deserves to get nuked. Any thoughts on that passage?
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Marky Dread wrote:
23 Mar 2018, 8:07pm
muppet hi fi wrote:
23 Mar 2018, 7:09pm
Observation: at the very end of 'S!', right after "Shepherd's Delight", there's ambient noise and someone says "Could it really happen?" and Joe says "I hope." And then what sounds like a missile being launched ends the album. I always thought that seemed a tad nihilistic and very un-Joe, assuming, as I used to as a wee misanthrope, that he was saying human-kind deserves to get nuked. Any thoughts on that passage?
Side 6...
:mrgreen: I know. I just listened to, I'm not kidding, the 'Sound System' 'S!' back to back with your remaster/re-imagined version. And yours makes more sense, "I hope."
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Red Angel wrote:
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How can anyone say they didn't look great in 1982? Especially the 1978 defenders.
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Red Angel wrote:
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