is this the bass line paul played live?
The Clash - Rock The Casbah (Bass)
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Probably not. That guy looks like he knows what he is doing.nsc wrote:is this the bass line paul played live?
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Rock the Casbah is absolutely terrible live. Sounds like a GEER outtake.
Terry's intro is unforgivable.
Terry's intro is unforgivable.
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I just think it's a difficult song to pull off live...I know this is blasphemous 'round these here parts, but I don't think any of the live versions came close to the album version. Just for RTC though. When I saw the Meskies back in '99, it sounded off then too. That's it, it just sounds off live. I'm probably talking out of my ass, but it's just how I feel about it.
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Not blasphemous to me, I think the recorded version is just perfect, one of the best pop records ever made to my ears.JennyB wrote:I just think it's a difficult song to pull off live...I know this is blasphemous 'round these here parts, but I don't think any of the live versions came close to the album version. Just for RTC though. When I saw the Meskies back in '99, it sounded off then too. That's it, it just sounds off live. I'm probably talking out of my ass, but it's just how I feel about it.
In their defence I don't think it's an easy song to replicate live, it's got a very processed sound on record.
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The Meskies version from that German festival sounds a lot better because it has the piano at least.JennyB wrote:I just think it's a difficult song to pull off live...I know this is blasphemous 'round these here parts, but I don't think any of the live versions came close to the album version. Just for RTC though. When I saw the Meskies back in '99, it sounded off then too. That's it, it just sounds off live. I'm probably talking out of my ass, but it's just how I feel about it.
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Agreed.matedog wrote:The Meskies version from that German festival sounds a lot better because it has the piano at least.JennyB wrote:I just think it's a difficult song to pull off live...I know this is blasphemous 'round these here parts, but I don't think any of the live versions came close to the album version. Just for RTC though. When I saw the Meskies back in '99, it sounded off then too. That's it, it just sounds off live. I'm probably talking out of my ass, but it's just how I feel about it.
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Re: The Clash - Rock The Casbah (Bass)
RTC doesn't even sound that Clashy to me--maybe that's why.
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Topper-written songs aren't arranged in a way that's easy to pull off live with a punk four-piece. Mick's arrangements at their bare, fresh-from-brain-to-rehearsal state are written pretty much exactly as the band would bang them out live. That's why Topper's songs sound well-oiled in the studio and underwhelming live, as evidenced by a lot of S! material where he and his studio troupe (Gluggo, Watt-Roy, et al.) did a lot more heavy lifting in the songwriting dept. than every other album which was mostly Mick, a little Joe on the arrangements. His creative mind's wired for jazz...he builds rhythm sections off piano/keyboard riffs. Constructed around different instruments and styles than they can trot out onstage. If Gluggo had become the permanent 5th member in '81 as intended before breaking his arm they pretty much would've had the tools to pull off a song like that and a bunch of S! numbers very well live...at least as far as Paul's limitations would let them.
Casbah was never, ever going to sound whole live without the piano riff. Topper's demo was all rhythm section...drums on piano riff and a bassline he played himself which Paul could not replicate (also unlike Mick, who when he wrote could mentally or even physically mimic Paul's playing because he was the one who taught him bass in the first place). I think they learned their lesson from RTC in '83 when they chose to add Sound of The Sinners to the setlist. The entire song save for lyrics was rewritten from the ground up in rehearsals by Mick/Joe/Paul/Pete rather than even try to salvage anything off of Topper's album arrangement. It kicked ass live. No doubt it would've suffered the same problems as RTC if they kept the old arrangement because of that problematic piano.
Not so much a matter of lame/not-lame. They just wrote radically different ways that were not necessarily compatible from one environment to another.
Now, Terry on RTC...that is flat-out the lamest thing I've ever heard.
Casbah was never, ever going to sound whole live without the piano riff. Topper's demo was all rhythm section...drums on piano riff and a bassline he played himself which Paul could not replicate (also unlike Mick, who when he wrote could mentally or even physically mimic Paul's playing because he was the one who taught him bass in the first place). I think they learned their lesson from RTC in '83 when they chose to add Sound of The Sinners to the setlist. The entire song save for lyrics was rewritten from the ground up in rehearsals by Mick/Joe/Paul/Pete rather than even try to salvage anything off of Topper's album arrangement. It kicked ass live. No doubt it would've suffered the same problems as RTC if they kept the old arrangement because of that problematic piano.
Not so much a matter of lame/not-lame. They just wrote radically different ways that were not necessarily compatible from one environment to another.
Now, Terry on RTC...that is flat-out the lamest thing I've ever heard.
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PS - half the hilarity of the video is them miming to the song and playing parts that are clearly not what was recorded.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.
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Some of the gigs in '82 mick played the piano intro notes on his guitar. These are the best "live" versions from that year.
But the 1999 Mescaleros sound the best playing RTC.
But the 1999 Mescaleros sound the best playing RTC.