Heads up to everybody: I have posted two concert reviews from the Bern '84 gig on the Mohawk's Revenge Facebook page. I'll be glad to do it here, if everybody wants, but I figure you can just as easily head there, and see what they're all about.
Both are post- gig reviews, one from the Berner Zeitung (2/27/84), while I'm not sure about the provenance for the other -- looks like the same paper, but it has to be a different source. Any insight on that would be great.
My sister translated them for me as part of the background/research work I was doing, along with Mark, for We Are The Clash. None of them made it into the book, for all the usual technical reasons -- hey, maybe they'll make into mine, if I do another book, on my own recognizance -- but they offer yet another interesting glimpse of how the critical fraternity was looking at all this whole thing called Clash II.
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Thanks for the translations. I'm still baffled why they get called Clash II.Chairman Ralph wrote: ↑10 Mar 2024, 7:52pmHeads up to everybody: I have posted two concert reviews from the Bern '84 gig on the Mohawk's Revenge Facebook page. I'll be glad to do it here, if everybody wants, but I figure you can just as easily head there, and see what they're all about.
Both are post- gig reviews, one from the Berner Zeitung (2/27/84), while I'm not sure about the provenance for the other -- looks like the same paper, but it has to be a different source. Any insight on that would be great.
My sister translated them for me as part of the background/research work I was doing, along with Mark, for We Are The Clash. None of them made it into the book, for all the usual technical reasons -- hey, maybe they'll make into mine, if I do another book, on my own recognizance -- but they offer yet another interesting glimpse of how the critical fraternity was looking at all this whole thing called Clash II.
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I'm guessing it was coined by an American after Crap was released and associating it with a number two.Marky Dread wrote: ↑23 Mar 2024, 6:42amThanks for the translations. I'm still baffled why they get called Clash II.Chairman Ralph wrote: ↑10 Mar 2024, 7:52pmHeads up to everybody: I have posted two concert reviews from the Bern '84 gig on the Mohawk's Revenge Facebook page. I'll be glad to do it here, if everybody wants, but I figure you can just as easily head there, and see what they're all about.
Both are post- gig reviews, one from the Berner Zeitung (2/27/84), while I'm not sure about the provenance for the other -- looks like the same paper, but it has to be a different source. Any insight on that would be great.
My sister translated them for me as part of the background/research work I was doing, along with Mark, for We Are The Clash. None of them made it into the book, for all the usual technical reasons -- hey, maybe they'll make into mine, if I do another book, on my own recognizance -- but they offer yet another interesting glimpse of how the critical fraternity was looking at all this whole thing called Clash II.
WE DON'T MISS MJ I.jpg
WE DON'T MISS MJ II.jpg
Doesn't happen to other bands. They were not even the second incarnation of The Clash.
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Low Down Low wrote: ↑23 Mar 2024, 9:57amI'm guessing it was coined by an American after Crap was released and associating it with a number two.Marky Dread wrote: ↑23 Mar 2024, 6:42amThanks for the translations. I'm still baffled why they get called Clash II.Chairman Ralph wrote: ↑10 Mar 2024, 7:52pmHeads up to everybody: I have posted two concert reviews from the Bern '84 gig on the Mohawk's Revenge Facebook page. I'll be glad to do it here, if everybody wants, but I figure you can just as easily head there, and see what they're all about.
Both are post- gig reviews, one from the Berner Zeitung (2/27/84), while I'm not sure about the provenance for the other -- looks like the same paper, but it has to be a different source. Any insight on that would be great.
My sister translated them for me as part of the background/research work I was doing, along with Mark, for We Are The Clash. None of them made it into the book, for all the usual technical reasons -- hey, maybe they'll make into mine, if I do another book, on my own recognizance -- but they offer yet another interesting glimpse of how the critical fraternity was looking at all this whole thing called Clash II.
WE DON'T MISS MJ I.jpg
WE DON'T MISS MJ II.jpg
Doesn't happen to other bands. They were not even the second incarnation of The Clash.
Forces have been looting
My humanity
Curfews have been curbing
The end of liberty
We're the flowers in the dustbin...
No fuchsias for you.
"Without the common people you're nothing"
Nos Sumus Una Familia
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Well, exactly. One of the ironies of that whole situation is how many seemed to forget that the Clash started as a five-piece -- a point Joe reminds his interlocutor on that picture disk interview, whose title escapes me at the moment.Thanks for the translations. I'm still baffled why they get called Clash II.
Doesn't happen to other bands. They were not even the second incarnation of The Clash.
As far as the Clash II monicker goes, that seems like more of a British term.
I honestly don't remember it being used over here, back in the day. The earliest Clash II reference that I can recall seeing in print is that two-part sitdown of the back catalog that NME did with Joe and Paul in 1988. That's the first time I remember seeing that term, and thinking, "Hm, guess somebody's trying to draw a line under this era, aren't they?"
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I can maybe understand that from say Mick and Paul's perspective but not from the fans.Chairman Ralph wrote: ↑30 Mar 2024, 9:05pmWell, exactly. One of the ironies of that whole situation is how many seemed to forget that the Clash started as a five-piece -- a point Joe reminds his interlocutor on that picture disk interview, whose title escapes me at the moment.Thanks for the translations. I'm still baffled why they get called Clash II.
Doesn't happen to other bands. They were not even the second incarnation of The Clash.
As far as the Clash II monicker goes, that seems like more of a British term.
I honestly don't remember it being used over here, back in the day. The earliest Clash II reference that I can recall seeing in print is that two-part sitdown of the back catalog that NME did with Joe and Paul in 1988. That's the first time I remember seeing that term, and thinking, "Hm, guess somebody's trying to draw a line under this era, aren't they?"
I think fans have simply latched onto that name because of the BAD and BAD II thing which is kind of ironic. But either way they were "The Clash" in name at least even if you disliked the idea of CtC and that line-up.
Forces have been looting
My humanity
Curfews have been curbing
The end of liberty
We're the flowers in the dustbin...
No fuchsias for you.
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Re: Two Festhalle '84 Concert Reviews (Translated): Now On Mohawk's Revenge FB Page
Well, from my perspective, when it came to getting tickets for my gig, at MSU, I don't recall anyone in our circle of friends who went -- about five or six of us, all squeezed into one subcompact beater -- debating whether to go, with only the "old firm" of Strummer & Simonon resent. if anything, it was a bigger incentive, and the curiosity factor was just too strong to ignore.I can maybe understand that from say Mick and Paul's perspective but not from the fans.
I think fans have simply latched onto that name because of the BAD and BAD II thing which is kind of ironic. But either way they were "The Clash" in name at least even if you disliked the idea of CtC and that line-up.
What would that new band sound like? This being the pre-Internet era, you had to buy the record, and/or the ticket, and find out for yourself. So, to me, it was writers who coined that term, whenever they were reaching for some type of jook for whatever angle of the week that they were pushing.
But you're right, whatever anyone said, they were still the Clash, from the standpoint of the name, and of course, playing those songs. It'd be interesting to see how Mick's departure would play out today, in an era of bands circling the globe with just two (The Damned, before Rat rejoined recently), one (Black Flag, The Godfathers), or no original members left (Dr. Feelgood). I suspect it'd be different, since you don't see the same degree of anguish or outrage that greeted a key member's departure back in the day.