Yeah, that's Mick on both counts I think, definitely the latter.Low Down Low wrote: ↑20 Jun 2018, 7:57amAs an aside one of the many facets of WMIHP's greatness is the use of harmonica/mouth organ which, though open to correction on this point, I understand to be a Joe contribution. Its an instrument I adore and really wish they'd used a lot more, there's a bit in Groovy Times which is about all that comes to mind off the top of my head.
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There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board
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Ah ok cheers. Dont know why I just assumed it'd be a Joe thing. And on further reflection its there in Garageland and at the end of TIV too, so more prevalent than I inititally thought. Also have a memory of Paul doing a harmonica intro to GOB in the Clash 11 period which worked really well.Heston wrote: ↑20 Jun 2018, 7:59amYeah, that's Mick on both counts I think, definitely the latter.Low Down Low wrote: ↑20 Jun 2018, 7:57amAs an aside one of the many facets of WMIHP's greatness is the use of harmonica/mouth organ which, though open to correction on this point, I understand to be a Joe contribution. Its an instrument I adore and really wish they'd used a lot more, there's a bit in Groovy Times which is about all that comes to mind off the top of my head.
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Groovy Times is Mick, credited as Bob Jones. A Dylan joke.
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Plus "Ghetto Defendant".
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I would have automatically pegged Joe in my mind as the Dylan man. But if anything, Mick was probably just as big a fan.Silent Majority wrote: ↑20 Jun 2018, 11:40amGroovy Times is Mick, credited as Bob Jones. A Dylan joke.
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Great post.Silent Majority wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 2:42amI think the later lines "Cause it won't get you anywhere / Fooling with the guns / The British Army is waiting out there / An' it weighs fifteen hundred tons" are the thoughtful endpoint of Strummer's disappointment with Jamaican music's lack of revolutionary fervour. Sure, it'd be nice if these brilliant artists had more to say than the kind of stuff the Four Tops had done fifteen years before, but what's the point in it all? You're not going to take down the British Army. Even the British punk scene (which does have something to say) instead of being committed to actual change, their rebellious message is compromised by coming from the heart of an unequal system. Your rebellion will be co-opted to make money for the people at the top.Low Down Low wrote: ↑18 Jun 2018, 5:13pmI’d say he probably did too but this was 77 and Joe had to be a punk rock stalinist. He lightened up enough to sing Lovers Rock anyway...I really like it but could easily be a Ken Boothe cover.Kory wrote: ↑18 Jun 2018, 4:56pmI really like those artists, except for Dillinger who I don't know that well. Joe needs to lighten up.Low Down Low wrote: ↑18 Jun 2018, 4:29pmYes, dont think there is any doubt that he is being critical. Joe went to the gig with a preconceived notion of what he would hear and seemed to feel personally let down when it failed to match up. Not sure how much Jamaican music Joe knew at that time, maybe he knew Jimmy Cliff and believed all Jamaican music would have that hard, socially conscious edge when, as Don Letts has testified, it was as much if not more about escapism. It's still a truly great song and lyric nonetheless.
Remember young Strummer was confined to a boarding school in 1968, the most revolutionary year after probably 1917 of the past century. He heard Street Fighting Man by the Rolling Stones and thought that was powering and being powered by a global movement towards a better world. Joe couldn't wait to get out and be a part of it. It was instead Mick Jagger with his impeccable sense of how to pour what was fashionable into his lyrics. Pop music, a wounded Joe realises in this song, isn't the place to look for societal change, so, filled with drugs, you can go out looking for fun as an escape. His initial criticism of Ken Boothe etc is examined and he finds himself as wanting as they are, accepting their mutual position and understanding the entire situation more.
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Rad, I don't have to do anything now!
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That's a melodica, isn't it?
edit: no, it definitely isn't.
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I thought that was Paul. Didn’t he play shittily on those live versions?
I’m drawing a blank but didn’t Lee Lewis play some real harmonica on S!?
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.
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Lew Lewis on Version City. He plays that brilliant solo which I would imagine would have been beyond Mick or Paul.
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Always loved Version City, there's also some great harmonica work on Look Here. Also never realised there was background harmonica on Corner Soul, amazing how many times you can listen to a song and still hear things you hadn't noticed before. He's also credited for Junco Partner and a couple of others but try as I might, I still cant detect any harmonica in JP.Heston wrote: ↑22 Jun 2018, 10:46amLew Lewis on Version City. He plays that brilliant solo which I would imagine would have been beyond Mick or Paul.
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You can hear it more clearly behind the "fourteen to ninety-nine" bit, I think.Low Down Low wrote: ↑22 Jun 2018, 11:05amHe's also credited for Junco Partner and a couple of others but try as I might, I still cant detect any harmonica in JP.
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Have no doubt its there but these cloth ears cant seem to pick it out! Just have to wait for the stems...Inder wrote: ↑22 Jun 2018, 11:16amYou can hear it more clearly behind the "fourteen to ninety-nine" bit, I think.Low Down Low wrote: ↑22 Jun 2018, 11:05amHe's also credited for Junco Partner and a couple of others but try as I might, I still cant detect any harmonica in JP.