(White Man) In Hammersmith Palais turns 40

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(White Man) In Hammersmith Palais turns 40

Post by Carpentologist » 16 Jun 2018, 1:13am

40 years old today, my favourite song of all time!


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Re: (White Man) In Hammersmith Palais turns 40

Post by Carpentologist » 16 Jun 2018, 1:17am

It’s B-Side went alright as well!


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Re: (White Man) In Hammersmith Palais turns 40

Post by 101Walterton » 16 Jun 2018, 1:38am

Carpentologist wrote:
16 Jun 2018, 1:13am
40 years old today, my favourite song of all time!

Mine too. Everything I live about music summed up in one song.

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Re: (White Man) In Hammersmith Palais turns 40

Post by Heston » 16 Jun 2018, 5:50am

Great great song but I wish they hadn't produced it themselves. That's why I usually play the FHTE version, even though Terry is on it.
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Re: (White Man) In Hammersmith Palais turns 40

Post by Silent Majority » 16 Jun 2018, 6:37am

Heston wrote:
16 Jun 2018, 5:50am
Great great song but I wish they hadn't produced it themselves. That's why I usually play the FHTE version, even though Terry is on it.
Guy Stevens the ideal producer?
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Re: (White Man) In Hammersmith Palais turns 40

Post by Carpentologist » 16 Jun 2018, 8:33am

Heston wrote:
16 Jun 2018, 5:50am
Great great song but I wish they hadn't produced it themselves. That's why I usually play the FHTE version, even though Terry is on it.
Nah, I reckon it’s perfect the way it is! I don’t really believe that it’s production hampered its commercial appeal, I actually think it was just too unique at the time and it’s lyric was too intelligent to appeal to the masses! The fact it wasn’t “Dreadlock Holiday” only enhances its appeal for me!

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Re: (White Man) In Hammersmith Palais turns 40

Post by Heston » 16 Jun 2018, 8:55am

Silent Majority wrote:
16 Jun 2018, 6:37am
Heston wrote:
16 Jun 2018, 5:50am
Great great song but I wish they hadn't produced it themselves. That's why I usually play the FHTE version, even though Terry is on it.
Guy Stevens the ideal producer?
Pearlman or Bill Price would have done. It just sounds a bit brittle and harsh to me, with distinct lack of nice, rounded bass. Just a mystery why they were producing themselves after one year in the business.
I just polished off some Low Country shrimp & grits and a mess of collards. That's a hell of a strain on the arm.

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Re: (White Man) In Hammersmith Palais turns 40

Post by Wolter » 16 Jun 2018, 9:17am

Heston’s brainworm is acting up again. The song is perfect.
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Post by Dr. Medulla » 16 Jun 2018, 12:00pm

Wolter wrote:
16 Jun 2018, 9:17am
Heston’s brainworm is acting up again. The song is perfect.
It's a rare instance where the band is above criticism. They nailed it.
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Re: (White Man) In Hammersmith Palais turns 40

Post by muppet hi fi » 16 Jun 2018, 12:16pm

Heston wrote:
16 Jun 2018, 8:55am
Silent Majority wrote:
16 Jun 2018, 6:37am
Heston wrote:
16 Jun 2018, 5:50am
Great great song but I wish they hadn't produced it themselves. That's why I usually play the FHTE version, even though Terry is on it.
Guy Stevens the ideal producer?
Pearlman or Bill Price would have done. It just sounds a bit brittle and harsh to me, with distinct lack of nice, rounded bass. Just a mystery why they were producing themselves after one year in the business.
Gotta disagree. I think it's a very warm sounding recording, but I see your point about the bass tone - very mid-rangey and stringy (I'm guessing Paul was using the Rickenbacker), but to me it adds to it's uniqueness and charm and showed how their interests in reggae weren't purist.
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Re: (White Man) In Hammersmith Palais turns 40

Post by JennyB » 18 Jun 2018, 9:58am

101Walterton wrote:
16 Jun 2018, 1:38am
Carpentologist wrote:
16 Jun 2018, 1:13am
40 years old today, my favourite song of all time!

Mine too. Everything I live about music summed up in one song.
Mine too! Not only my favorite Clash song, but my favorite song.
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Re: (White Man) In Hammersmith Palais turns 40

Post by Kory » 18 Jun 2018, 3:40pm

Joe is critical of Dillinger, Leroy Smart, Ken Boothe and Delroy Wilson on this track right?
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Post by Low Down Low » 18 Jun 2018, 4:29pm

Kory wrote:
18 Jun 2018, 3:40pm
Joe is critical of Dillinger, Leroy Smart, Ken Boothe and Delroy Wilson on this track right?
Yes, dont think there is any doubt that he is being critical. Joe went to the gig with a preconceived notion of what he would hear and seemed to feel personally let down when it failed to match up. Not sure how much Jamaican music Joe knew at that time, maybe he knew Jimmy Cliff and believed all Jamaican music would have that hard, socially conscious edge when, as Don Letts has testified, it was as much if not more about escapism. It's still a truly great song and lyric nonetheless.

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Re: (White Man) In Hammersmith Palais turns 40

Post by Kory » 18 Jun 2018, 4:56pm

Low Down Low wrote:
18 Jun 2018, 4:29pm
Kory wrote:
18 Jun 2018, 3:40pm
Joe is critical of Dillinger, Leroy Smart, Ken Boothe and Delroy Wilson on this track right?
Yes, dont think there is any doubt that he is being critical. Joe went to the gig with a preconceived notion of what he would hear and seemed to feel personally let down when it failed to match up. Not sure how much Jamaican music Joe knew at that time, maybe he knew Jimmy Cliff and believed all Jamaican music would have that hard, socially conscious edge when, as Don Letts has testified, it was as much if not more about escapism. It's still a truly great song and lyric nonetheless.
I really like those artists, except for Dillinger who I don't know that well. Joe needs to lighten up.
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Absolutely. Here's another collection of words:

Table salt (spoon hinge)
Octopus (Ukraine)
St. Petersburg (arms)
Ginger beer (cauliflower)
Pat Sajak (PSak)
Lamp post (self evident)
Florida Timeshare (ditto)
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Re: (White Man) In Hammersmith Palais turns 40

Post by Low Down Low » 18 Jun 2018, 5:13pm

Kory wrote:
18 Jun 2018, 4:56pm
Low Down Low wrote:
18 Jun 2018, 4:29pm
Kory wrote:
18 Jun 2018, 3:40pm
Joe is critical of Dillinger, Leroy Smart, Ken Boothe and Delroy Wilson on this track right?
Yes, dont think there is any doubt that he is being critical. Joe went to the gig with a preconceived notion of what he would hear and seemed to feel personally let down when it failed to match up. Not sure how much Jamaican music Joe knew at that time, maybe he knew Jimmy Cliff and believed all Jamaican music would have that hard, socially conscious edge when, as Don Letts has testified, it was as much if not more about escapism. It's still a truly great song and lyric nonetheless.
I really like those artists, except for Dillinger who I don't know that well. Joe needs to lighten up.
I’d say he probably did too but this was 77 and Joe had to be a punk rock stalinist. He lightened up enough to sing Lovers Rock anyway...I really like it but could easily be a Ken Boothe cover.

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