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Balanced GEER article

Post by Heston » 15 Jun 2018, 6:55pm

This one calls it about right...

http://www.getintothis.co.uk/2018/06/gi ... -turns-40/

Now will the GEER hordes return to their caves for good?
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Post by eumaas » 15 Jun 2018, 7:17pm

To be honest the idea of subjecting myself to music criticism as an adult seems like utter masochism.
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Post by eumaas » 15 Jun 2018, 7:20pm

Getting accused of being a caveman by someone who listens to KISS, ah.
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Post by Dr. Medulla » 15 Jun 2018, 7:29pm

eumaas wrote:
15 Jun 2018, 7:20pm
Getting accused of being a caveman by someone who listens to KISS, ah.
Even tho I side with Heston on matters of GEER, he ain't recovering from this kick in the nads.
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Re: Balanced GEER article

Post by Heston » 15 Jun 2018, 7:36pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Jun 2018, 7:29pm
eumaas wrote:
15 Jun 2018, 7:20pm
Getting accused of being a caveman by someone who listens to KISS, ah.
Even tho I side with Heston on matters of GEER, he ain't recovering from this kick in the nads.
I just like poking the beast with a stick now and again. This time it took me by surprise with a swift club to the testes.
I just polished off some Low Country shrimp & grits and a mess of collards. That's a hell of a strain on the arm.

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Post by Dr. Medulla » 15 Jun 2018, 7:51pm

Heston wrote:
15 Jun 2018, 7:36pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Jun 2018, 7:29pm
eumaas wrote:
15 Jun 2018, 7:20pm
Getting accused of being a caveman by someone who listens to KISS, ah.
Even tho I side with Heston on matters of GEER, he ain't recovering from this kick in the nads.
I just like poking the beast with a stick now and again. This time it took me by surprise with a swift club to the testes.
eumaas is the yeti he cautions others to beware.
Endut! Hoch Hech!

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Re: Balanced GEER article

Post by Heston » 15 Jun 2018, 7:56pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Jun 2018, 7:51pm
Heston wrote:
15 Jun 2018, 7:36pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Jun 2018, 7:29pm
eumaas wrote:
15 Jun 2018, 7:20pm
Getting accused of being a caveman by someone who listens to KISS, ah.
Even tho I side with Heston on matters of GEER, he ain't recovering from this kick in the nads.
I just like poking the beast with a stick now and again. This time it took me by surprise with a swift club to the testes.
eumaas is the yeti he cautions others to beware.
It's good to have his cynical ass around here. Though I feel he is mellowing a touch.
I just polished off some Low Country shrimp & grits and a mess of collards. That's a hell of a strain on the arm.

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Re: Balanced GEER article

Post by Dr. Medulla » 15 Jun 2018, 8:14pm

Heston wrote:
15 Jun 2018, 7:56pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Jun 2018, 7:51pm
Heston wrote:
15 Jun 2018, 7:36pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Jun 2018, 7:29pm
eumaas wrote:
15 Jun 2018, 7:20pm
Getting accused of being a caveman by someone who listens to KISS, ah.
Even tho I side with Heston on matters of GEER, he ain't recovering from this kick in the nads.
I just like poking the beast with a stick now and again. This time it took me by surprise with a swift club to the testes.
eumaas is the yeti he cautions others to beware.
It's good to have his cynical ass around here. Though I feel he is mellowing a touch.
None of us are the pricks we were a decade ago. Punk rock sell-outs alll.
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Post by hairydot61 » 16 Jun 2018, 2:12pm

(what constitutes a sell-out) Mick Jones: "What happens is all the tickets go on sale for a concert, right, and people go and buy them, and if as many go and buy them as there are tickets, that constitutes a sell-out.“ ..sage :o)
......I think with 40 years hindsight and 20-20 vision most people could come to that 'Get into this' conclusion, at the time most people are making it up as they go along, personally I was 17 at time of release of Give em enough rope, the subject matter at the time was too complex and deeply social for my brain, (I managed to catch up with it though) what did I know?, what I did know and realise was that the music had changed, the sonics and the song writing, very different to self titled debut, but if you were expecting self titled 2 you were sorely dissapointed, I only saw The Clash once and that was on the parole tour they did a clutch of nights at what used to be the Music Machine in Camden Town, with Suicide and The Specials, phenomenal for a 17 year old, they were all brilliant and I can remember Alan Vega having a tug of war with the audience who got hold of his mike cable, remember The Clash were dynamite energy, flag backdrops, ....The Clash have proven with each album they released that they never stood still artistically.
Theres a saying that goes, if someone never makes mistakes then they make nothing, it took me a while to figure out what that ment.
I can't be critical of a band that for the most part wore their hearts on their sleeve, record sleeve or otherwise
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Post by Kory » 18 Jun 2018, 7:53pm

hairydot61 wrote:
16 Jun 2018, 2:12pm
(what constitutes a sell-out) Mick Jones: "What happens is all the tickets go on sale for a concert, right, and people go and buy them, and if as many go and buy them as there are tickets, that constitutes a sell-out.“ ..sage :o)
......I think with 40 years hindsight and 20-20 vision most people could come to that 'Get into this' conclusion, at the time most people are making it up as they go along, personally I was 17 at time of release of Give em enough rope, the subject matter at the time was too complex and deeply social for my brain, (I managed to catch up with it though) what did I know?, what I did know and realise was that the music had changed, the sonics and the song writing, very different to self titled debut, but if you were expecting self titled 2 you were sorely dissapointed, I only saw The Clash once and that was on the parole tour they did a clutch of nights at what used to be the Music Machine in Camden Town, with Suicide and The Specials, phenomenal for a 17 year old, they were all brilliant and I can remember Alan Vega having a tug of war with the audience who got hold of his mike cable, remember The Clash were dynamite energy, flag backdrops, ....The Clash have proven with each album they released that they never stood still artistically.
Theres a saying that goes, if someone never makes mistakes then they make nothing, it took me a while to figure out what that ment.
I can't be critical of a band that for the most part wore their hearts on their sleeve, record sleeve or otherwise
Ok but here's the true test: GEER or CR? This is important.
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Post by 101Walterton » 18 Jun 2018, 9:50pm

Kory wrote:
18 Jun 2018, 7:53pm
hairydot61 wrote:
16 Jun 2018, 2:12pm
(what constitutes a sell-out) Mick Jones: "What happens is all the tickets go on sale for a concert, right, and people go and buy them, and if as many go and buy them as there are tickets, that constitutes a sell-out.“ ..sage :o)
......I think with 40 years hindsight and 20-20 vision most people could come to that 'Get into this' conclusion, at the time most people are making it up as they go along, personally I was 17 at time of release of Give em enough rope, the subject matter at the time was too complex and deeply social for my brain, (I managed to catch up with it though) what did I know?, what I did know and realise was that the music had changed, the sonics and the song writing, very different to self titled debut, but if you were expecting self titled 2 you were sorely dissapointed, I only saw The Clash once and that was on the parole tour they did a clutch of nights at what used to be the Music Machine in Camden Town, with Suicide and The Specials, phenomenal for a 17 year old, they were all brilliant and I can remember Alan Vega having a tug of war with the audience who got hold of his mike cable, remember The Clash were dynamite energy, flag backdrops, ....The Clash have proven with each album they released that they never stood still artistically.
Theres a saying that goes, if someone never makes mistakes then they make nothing, it took me a while to figure out what that ment.
I can't be critical of a band that for the most part wore their hearts on their sleeve, record sleeve or otherwise
Ok but here's the true test: GEER or CR? This is important.
GEER!

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Post by hairydot61 » 20 Jun 2018, 6:47am

Hello,
I wasn't swayed at all by thee later poster : :naughty:
The 'which album I prefer' question is the only time I've been asked to make a call on which album I'd personally chose and it did throw me a bit, ...as I'd not discovered this forum until recently (through other interests of music) or read much into other peoples preferences but I'm sure its generated its fair share of debate, my personal choice between the two albums and the reasons I weighed up from personal buttons being pushed by the albums in question, I'd go for Give em Enough Rope because I find the album more immediate and straight forward, the triumvirate opening of Safe European home, English Civil War and Tommy Gun hooks you in, Julies been working for the Drug Squad is rollickin' fun & lyrically incisive (to these ears), 'Stay Free' is like an arm around you from a big brother or good mate, all subjects covered still relevent today.
Thats not to dismiss Combat Rock, I personally love diverse music, even avant Garde (to a degree), I do non structures in music, I do dense cryptic lyrics, collaborations, I Love the tracks on Combat Rock and the subject matter with all it musical styles, can you believe that there was almost just a 5 year span from Self titled to Combat Rock, I find that unbelievable. Previously stated the band never stood still artistically but the difference between the start album and the finish album (for that line up) is incredible, & trail blazing in every way, the album title of 'Combat Rock' sums up its 'World view' aesthetic but it could also be the internal struggle & relationship between Strummer & Jones at that time.
Before the release of GEER The Clash put out Complete Control, Clash City Rockers and White Man (in Hammersith Palais) all these not included on the album, but those tracks gave you a sense of expectation for the album, I can remember being a bit lost on initial hearings of GEER because of the shift but that is the magic of music, you grow with it or leave it, as an aside the lyric to Career opportunities changed my life to go for another job when I was 17, I do remember one morning having a shave and thinking about those lyrics, my employment at the time as a General Dogs body in an engineering factory in early 78' South East London, in the days when there was plenty of work about, I handed my notice in and a week later started work in a printing associated job which turned out to be a good move for me.
I take my music seriously unless your name's happens to be Dread Zeppelin :o)
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Post by white man » 25 Jun 2018, 8:10am

You'd be hard pushed to find three better openers than SEH ECW and TG on any album. For me it's the best produced album in their catalogue. Closely followed by CR.
One wonders what Sandinista would have sounded like in Sandy Pearlman or Glyn Johns hands.

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Post by hairydot61 » 26 Jun 2018, 6:26am

white man wrote:
25 Jun 2018, 8:10am
You'd be hard pushed to find three better openers than SEH ECW and TG on any album. For me it's the best produced album in their catalogue. Closely followed by CR.
One wonders what Sandinista would have sounded like in Sandy Pearlman or Glyn Johns hands.
That would be interesting, you know the demise of The Clash I suppose proved that the core of Strummer & Jones was the force that pushed them forward, due to different reasons the drummers rotated in the band, not to sure how much Paul contributed to the musical output but he was consistant within the band, when that core was broken it produced a pale shadow of a once great band, Give em enough rope does stand up on his own but I suppose at the time they couldn't put those three preceding Killer singles on due to the restrictions of the LP format and the bands ideology of value for money, until someone came up with the 2/3 LP format, I suppose The Clash being tagged a Punk band at the time had to release a single album because Punk was short and sharp, they certainly changed the game from then on.
I do really like the concept of Rat Patrol and appreciate that it has been reconstructed as its original idea, I actually prefer that reimagination of Rat Patrol from Fort Bragg to Combat Rock as a commercial entity, I think Mick took the blueprint of innoculted city as a basis for his BAD prroject, I can certainly hear that style on the BAD debut and it wouldn't be out of place either.
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