Re: New Book
Posted: 31 May 2018, 5:00pm
I know its Bernie - but what an incredibly bonkers and assholish thing to sayHeston wrote: ↑30 May 2018, 8:51am"Joe wanted a drum machine. He said to me, 'I want this record to be drum machines.' That was his brief, so okay, I'll put together an album around a drum machine.Chairman Ralph wrote: ↑30 May 2018, 6:46amGot anymore nuggets where that one came from? Since Mark and I did try to engage him.
"And then his middle-class friends got upset about it, because they were totally into Celtic folk music or whatever middle class problem they had, he backed off on it. But instead of proudly saying, 'This is good, people won't understand for a few years, maybe ten years, the next twenty years...' But I stick by it. He backed out. Indirectly, but ultimately, I think that led to his disappointment in life and his death. Because he had this nagging him all the time. But Joe, he had a lot of demons to deal with. "
If you want to talk about persistent nagging, it's remarkable how invested Bernie is in the regard for that album. Thirty-three years on, he's still waiting for the world to wake up and realize he's a genius.drowninghere wrote: ↑01 Jun 2018, 10:13pmI know its Bernie - but what an incredibly bonkers and assholish thing to sayHeston wrote: ↑30 May 2018, 8:51am"Joe wanted a drum machine. He said to me, 'I want this record to be drum machines.' That was his brief, so okay, I'll put together an album around a drum machine.Chairman Ralph wrote: ↑30 May 2018, 6:46amGot anymore nuggets where that one came from? Since Mark and I did try to engage him.
"And then his middle-class friends got upset about it, because they were totally into Celtic folk music or whatever middle class problem they had, he backed off on it. But instead of proudly saying, 'This is good, people won't understand for a few years, maybe ten years, the next twenty years...' But I stick by it. He backed out. Indirectly, but ultimately, I think that led to his disappointment in life and his death. Because he had this nagging him all the time. But Joe, he had a lot of demons to deal with. "
He has been very committed. I suppose one could go the route of Bernie simply not wanting to admit he was responsible for a very bad recording...but I truly think he really believes we just don't get it.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑02 Jun 2018, 6:15amIf you want to talk about persistent nagging, it's remarkable how invested Bernie is in the regard for that album. Thirty-three years on, he's still waiting for the world to wake up and realize he's a genius.drowninghere wrote: ↑01 Jun 2018, 10:13pmI know its Bernie - but what an incredibly bonkers and assholish thing to sayHeston wrote: ↑30 May 2018, 8:51am"Joe wanted a drum machine. He said to me, 'I want this record to be drum machines.' That was his brief, so okay, I'll put together an album around a drum machine.Chairman Ralph wrote: ↑30 May 2018, 6:46amGot anymore nuggets where that one came from? Since Mark and I did try to engage him.
"And then his middle-class friends got upset about it, because they were totally into Celtic folk music or whatever middle class problem they had, he backed off on it. But instead of proudly saying, 'This is good, people won't understand for a few years, maybe ten years, the next twenty years...' But I stick by it. He backed out. Indirectly, but ultimately, I think that led to his disappointment in life and his death. Because he had this nagging him all the time. But Joe, he had a lot of demons to deal with. "
He should be!WestwayKid wrote: ↑04 Jun 2018, 12:43pmHe has been very committed. I suppose one could go the route of Bernie simply not wanting to admit he was responsible for a very bad recording...but I truly think he really believes we just don't get it.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑02 Jun 2018, 6:15amIf you want to talk about persistent nagging, it's remarkable how invested Bernie is in the regard for that album. Thirty-three years on, he's still waiting for the world to wake up and realize he's a genius.drowninghere wrote: ↑01 Jun 2018, 10:13pmI know its Bernie - but what an incredibly bonkers and assholish thing to sayHeston wrote: ↑30 May 2018, 8:51am"Joe wanted a drum machine. He said to me, 'I want this record to be drum machines.' That was his brief, so okay, I'll put together an album around a drum machine.Chairman Ralph wrote: ↑30 May 2018, 6:46amGot anymore nuggets where that one came from? Since Mark and I did try to engage him.
"And then his middle-class friends got upset about it, because they were totally into Celtic folk music or whatever middle class problem they had, he backed off on it. But instead of proudly saying, 'This is good, people won't understand for a few years, maybe ten years, the next twenty years...' But I stick by it. He backed out. Indirectly, but ultimately, I think that led to his disappointment in life and his death. Because he had this nagging him all the time. But Joe, he had a lot of demons to deal with. "
I thought it was a drum machine on Love Kills.TeddyB Not Logged In wrote: ↑01 Jun 2018, 8:41pmNo way that it was Joe’s push to use drum machines. At some point when it turned 1985 and they had no album, it may be that they asked “what would Mick do?” but it wasn’t just Joe’s friends who didn’t like them, it was Joe. It wasn’t until Joe’s foray into ecstasy, Richard Norris and Glastonbury that he got into such heresies.
Evil Darling had one too.dave202 wrote: ↑07 Jun 2018, 11:15amI thought it was a drum machine on Love Kills.TeddyB Not Logged In wrote: ↑01 Jun 2018, 8:41pmNo way that it was Joe’s push to use drum machines. At some point when it turned 1985 and they had no album, it may be that they asked “what would Mick do?” but it wasn’t just Joe’s friends who didn’t like them, it was Joe. It wasn’t until Joe’s foray into ecstasy, Richard Norris and Glastonbury that he got into such heresies.
I always thought Mick was on that track! Sounds like his playing and background vocals. What about Dum Dum Club?
I agree with this. A couple of pics that were new to me. It's all a bit obvious but it is nicely presented.Heston wrote: ↑30 May 2018, 8:56amBy the way, the book is decent but not much I haven't read before. The author has some strange opinions but I suppose that's his personal taste. For example, I love One More Time but it gets short thrift from him.
There are some great pics in the book I'd never seen before, all in very high quality, and the book in general looks very nice. Worth £12 anyway.
There is a picture of Sean Flynn in the book which looks uncannily like Mick.Marky Dread wrote: ↑30 Jun 2018, 3:45pmI agree with this. A couple of pics that were new to me. It's all a bit obvious but it is nicely presented.Heston wrote: ↑30 May 2018, 8:56amBy the way, the book is decent but not much I haven't read before. The author has some strange opinions but I suppose that's his personal taste. For example, I love One More Time but it gets short thrift from him.
There are some great pics in the book I'd never seen before, all in very high quality, and the book in general looks very nice. Worth £12 anyway.
