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Re: New Book

Post by Heston » 30 May 2018, 8:51am

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Got anymore nuggets where that one came from? Since Mark and I did try to engage him.
"Joe wanted a drum machine. He said to me, 'I want this record to be drum machines.' That was his brief, so okay, I'll put together an album around a drum machine.
"And then his middle-class friends got upset about it, because they were totally into Celtic folk music or whatever middle class problem they had, he backed off on it. But instead of proudly saying, 'This is good, people won't understand for a few years, maybe ten years, the next twenty years...' But I stick by it. He backed out. Indirectly, but ultimately, I think that led to his disappointment in life and his death. Because he had this nagging him all the time. But Joe, he had a lot of demons to deal with. "
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Re: New Book

Post by Heston » 30 May 2018, 8:56am

By the way, the book is decent but not much I haven't read before. The author has some strange opinions but I suppose that's his personal taste. For example, I love One More Time but it gets short thrift from him.

There are some great pics in the book I'd never seen before, all in very high quality, and the book in general looks very nice. Worth £12 anyway.
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Re: New Book

Post by Dr. Medulla » 30 May 2018, 9:10am

Heston wrote:
30 May 2018, 8:51am
Chairman Ralph wrote:
30 May 2018, 6:46am
Got anymore nuggets where that one came from? Since Mark and I did try to engage him.
"Joe wanted a drum machine. He said to me, 'I want this record to be drum machines.' That was his brief, so okay, I'll put together an album around a drum machine.
"And then his middle-class friends got upset about it, because they were totally into Celtic folk music or whatever middle class problem they had, he backed off on it. But instead of proudly saying, 'This is good, people won't understand for a few years, maybe ten years, the next twenty years...' But I stick by it. He backed out. Indirectly, but ultimately, I think that led to his disappointment in life and his death. Because he had this nagging him all the time. But Joe, he had a lot of demons to deal with. "
Did he talk to Bernie or CK? :lol:
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Re: New Book

Post by Silent Majority » 30 May 2018, 9:12am

Dr. Medulla wrote:
30 May 2018, 9:10am
Heston wrote:
30 May 2018, 8:51am
Chairman Ralph wrote:
30 May 2018, 6:46am
Got anymore nuggets where that one came from? Since Mark and I did try to engage him.
"Joe wanted a drum machine. He said to me, 'I want this record to be drum machines.' That was his brief, so okay, I'll put together an album around a drum machine.
"And then his middle-class friends got upset about it, because they were totally into Celtic folk music or whatever middle class problem they had, he backed off on it. But instead of proudly saying, 'This is good, people won't understand for a few years, maybe ten years, the next twenty years...' But I stick by it. He backed out. Indirectly, but ultimately, I think that led to his disappointment in life and his death. Because he had this nagging him all the time. But Joe, he had a lot of demons to deal with. "
Did he talk to Bernie or CK? :lol:
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Re: New Book

Post by matedog » 30 May 2018, 11:55am

Heston wrote:
30 May 2018, 8:51am
Chairman Ralph wrote:
30 May 2018, 6:46am
Got anymore nuggets where that one came from? Since Mark and I did try to engage him.
"Joe wanted a drum machine. He said to me, 'I want this record to be drum machines.' That was his brief, so okay, I'll put together an album around a drum machine.
"And then his middle-class friends got upset about it, because they were totally into Celtic folk music or whatever middle class problem they had, he backed off on it. But instead of proudly saying, 'This is good, people won't understand for a few years, maybe ten years, the next twenty years...' But I stick by it. He backed out. Indirectly, but ultimately, I think that led to his disappointment in life and his death. Because he had this nagging him all the time. But Joe, he had a lot of demons to deal with. "
I love his defense of the drum machine. Yet, the actual drum programmer Fayney said something like "I didn't have any talent back then."
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Re: New Book

Post by Chairman Ralph » 31 May 2018, 2:13am

I love his defense of the drum machine. Yet, the actual drum programmer Fayney said something like "I didn't have any talent back then."
So maybe the moral, then, according to BR is: watch for those middle class boys and their Ace Rhythm Kings, Linn Drums or Doctor Rhythms? :mrgreen:

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Re: New Book

Post by eumaas » 31 May 2018, 2:14am

as someone who uses drum machines and once owned five of the goddamn things, the drum programming on CTC is bonkers.
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Re: New Book

Post by Heston » 31 May 2018, 2:38am

When we did our Play To Win cover I had to deliberately mess up the drum pattern to replicate the original version. Oh, to be a fly on the wall at the CTC sessions.
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Re: New Book

Post by WestwayKid » 31 May 2018, 5:01am

Does the book contain any session info? If I looked at the entry for One More Time, for instance - does it mention when and where it was recorded? Any info on who played on what?

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Re: New Book

Post by Heston » 31 May 2018, 6:47am

WestwayKid wrote:
31 May 2018, 5:01am
Does the book contain any session info? If I looked at the entry for One More Time, for instance - does it mention when and where it was recorded? Any info on who played on what?
No, it's more just background info and context, and the author's opinion on the song in question.
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Re: New Book

Post by matedog » 31 May 2018, 9:51am

Heston wrote:
31 May 2018, 2:38am
When we did our Play To Win cover I had to deliberately mess up the drum pattern to replicate the original version. Oh, to be a fly on the wall at the CTC sessions.
Yeah, the beat starts like two bars into the chorus and extends two bars out of the chorus. So...pointlessly weird.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Re: New Book

Post by Chairman Ralph » 31 May 2018, 4:41pm

Yeah, the beat starts like two bars into the chorus and extends two bars out of the chorus. So...pointlessly weird.
It's an approach that hangs over many albums of that era, like Flowers Of Romance, as in: "Use ineptitude to your advantage." While blurring the heck out of both those lines -- the i-word, and the a-word -- to a truly chaotic effect.
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Re: New Book

Post by Heston » 31 May 2018, 4:46pm

matedog wrote:
31 May 2018, 9:51am
Heston wrote:
31 May 2018, 2:38am
When we did our Play To Win cover I had to deliberately mess up the drum pattern to replicate the original version. Oh, to be a fly on the wall at the CTC sessions.
Yeah, the beat starts like two bars into the chorus and extends two bars out of the chorus. So...pointlessly weird.
I'm convinced it was a mistake rather than a musical decision.
I just polished off some Low Country shrimp & grits and a mess of collards. That's a hell of a strain on the arm.

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Re: New Book

Post by Flex » 31 May 2018, 4:51pm

Heston wrote:
31 May 2018, 4:46pm
I'm convinced it was a mistake rather than a musical decision.
Coincidentally, this is my review of the entire album.
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Re: New Book

Post by Heston » 31 May 2018, 4:54pm

Flex wrote:
31 May 2018, 4:51pm
Heston wrote:
31 May 2018, 4:46pm
I'm convinced it was a mistake rather than a musical decision.
Coincidentally, this is my review of the entire album.
:lol:

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