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Re: New Book

Post by Dr. Medulla » 31 May 2018, 5:00pm

Flex wrote:
31 May 2018, 4:51pm
Heston wrote:
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I'm convinced it was a mistake rather than a musical decision.
Coincidentally, this is my review of the entire album.
Okay, you've earned a free membership renewal with that one. :lol:
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Re: New Book

Post by TeddyB Not Logged In » 01 Jun 2018, 8:41pm

No way that it was Joe’s push to use drum machines. At some point when it turned 1985 and they had no album, it may be that they asked “what would Mick do?” but it wasn’t just Joe’s friends who didn’t like them, it was Joe. It wasn’t until Joe’s foray into ecstasy, Richard Norris and Glastonbury that he got into such heresies.

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Re: New Book

Post by drowninghere » 01 Jun 2018, 10:13pm

Heston wrote:
30 May 2018, 8:51am
Chairman Ralph wrote:
30 May 2018, 6:46am
Got anymore nuggets where that one came from? Since Mark and I did try to engage him.
"Joe wanted a drum machine. He said to me, 'I want this record to be drum machines.' That was his brief, so okay, I'll put together an album around a drum machine.
"And then his middle-class friends got upset about it, because they were totally into Celtic folk music or whatever middle class problem they had, he backed off on it. But instead of proudly saying, 'This is good, people won't understand for a few years, maybe ten years, the next twenty years...' But I stick by it. He backed out. Indirectly, but ultimately, I think that led to his disappointment in life and his death. Because he had this nagging him all the time. But Joe, he had a lot of demons to deal with. "
I know its Bernie - but what an incredibly bonkers and assholish thing to say

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Re: New Book

Post by Dr. Medulla » 02 Jun 2018, 6:15am

drowninghere wrote:
01 Jun 2018, 10:13pm
Heston wrote:
30 May 2018, 8:51am
Chairman Ralph wrote:
30 May 2018, 6:46am
Got anymore nuggets where that one came from? Since Mark and I did try to engage him.
"Joe wanted a drum machine. He said to me, 'I want this record to be drum machines.' That was his brief, so okay, I'll put together an album around a drum machine.
"And then his middle-class friends got upset about it, because they were totally into Celtic folk music or whatever middle class problem they had, he backed off on it. But instead of proudly saying, 'This is good, people won't understand for a few years, maybe ten years, the next twenty years...' But I stick by it. He backed out. Indirectly, but ultimately, I think that led to his disappointment in life and his death. Because he had this nagging him all the time. But Joe, he had a lot of demons to deal with. "
I know its Bernie - but what an incredibly bonkers and assholish thing to say
If you want to talk about persistent nagging, it's remarkable how invested Bernie is in the regard for that album. Thirty-three years on, he's still waiting for the world to wake up and realize he's a genius.
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Re: New Book

Post by WestwayKid » 04 Jun 2018, 12:43pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
02 Jun 2018, 6:15am
drowninghere wrote:
01 Jun 2018, 10:13pm
Heston wrote:
30 May 2018, 8:51am
Chairman Ralph wrote:
30 May 2018, 6:46am
Got anymore nuggets where that one came from? Since Mark and I did try to engage him.
"Joe wanted a drum machine. He said to me, 'I want this record to be drum machines.' That was his brief, so okay, I'll put together an album around a drum machine.
"And then his middle-class friends got upset about it, because they were totally into Celtic folk music or whatever middle class problem they had, he backed off on it. But instead of proudly saying, 'This is good, people won't understand for a few years, maybe ten years, the next twenty years...' But I stick by it. He backed out. Indirectly, but ultimately, I think that led to his disappointment in life and his death. Because he had this nagging him all the time. But Joe, he had a lot of demons to deal with. "
I know its Bernie - but what an incredibly bonkers and assholish thing to say
If you want to talk about persistent nagging, it's remarkable how invested Bernie is in the regard for that album. Thirty-three years on, he's still waiting for the world to wake up and realize he's a genius.
He has been very committed. I suppose one could go the route of Bernie simply not wanting to admit he was responsible for a very bad recording...but I truly think he really believes we just don't get it.

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Re: New Book

Post by Dr. Medulla » 04 Jun 2018, 12:56pm

WestwayKid wrote:
04 Jun 2018, 12:43pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
02 Jun 2018, 6:15am
drowninghere wrote:
01 Jun 2018, 10:13pm
Heston wrote:
30 May 2018, 8:51am
Chairman Ralph wrote:
30 May 2018, 6:46am
Got anymore nuggets where that one came from? Since Mark and I did try to engage him.
"Joe wanted a drum machine. He said to me, 'I want this record to be drum machines.' That was his brief, so okay, I'll put together an album around a drum machine.
"And then his middle-class friends got upset about it, because they were totally into Celtic folk music or whatever middle class problem they had, he backed off on it. But instead of proudly saying, 'This is good, people won't understand for a few years, maybe ten years, the next twenty years...' But I stick by it. He backed out. Indirectly, but ultimately, I think that led to his disappointment in life and his death. Because he had this nagging him all the time. But Joe, he had a lot of demons to deal with. "
I know its Bernie - but what an incredibly bonkers and assholish thing to say
If you want to talk about persistent nagging, it's remarkable how invested Bernie is in the regard for that album. Thirty-three years on, he's still waiting for the world to wake up and realize he's a genius.
He has been very committed. I suppose one could go the route of Bernie simply not wanting to admit he was responsible for a very bad recording...but I truly think he really believes we just don't get it.
He should be!
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Re: New Book

Post by AudioAmmunition » 06 Jun 2018, 10:19am

Just had this book delivered yesterday and was surprised by a glaring error on almost the first page, a picture of Mick on stage with the caption 'Mick performing with his pre-Clash group Rich Kids'. Doesn't augur well for the rest is that's the author's level of research. Presume it was from the brief period when Mick was guesting with the Rich Kids - perhaps 29-08-77 at The Vortex. Also an early pic of Joe from 101'ers days which at first glance I thought was Elvis Costello!

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Re: New Book

Post by dave202 » 07 Jun 2018, 11:15am

TeddyB Not Logged In wrote:
01 Jun 2018, 8:41pm
No way that it was Joe’s push to use drum machines. At some point when it turned 1985 and they had no album, it may be that they asked “what would Mick do?” but it wasn’t just Joe’s friends who didn’t like them, it was Joe. It wasn’t until Joe’s foray into ecstasy, Richard Norris and Glastonbury that he got into such heresies.
I thought it was a drum machine on Love Kills.

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Re: New Book

Post by Heston » 07 Jun 2018, 11:19am

dave202 wrote:
07 Jun 2018, 11:15am
TeddyB Not Logged In wrote:
01 Jun 2018, 8:41pm
No way that it was Joe’s push to use drum machines. At some point when it turned 1985 and they had no album, it may be that they asked “what would Mick do?” but it wasn’t just Joe’s friends who didn’t like them, it was Joe. It wasn’t until Joe’s foray into ecstasy, Richard Norris and Glastonbury that he got into such heresies.
I thought it was a drum machine on Love Kills.
Evil Darling had one too.
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Re: New Book

Post by TeddyB Not Logged In » 07 Jun 2018, 3:43pm

Mick produced the original track of Love Kills.

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Re: New Book

Post by Equaliser » 08 Jun 2018, 12:33pm

TeddyB Not Logged In wrote:
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Mick produced the original track of Love Kills.
I always thought Mick was on that track! Sounds like his playing and background vocals. What about Dum Dum Club?

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Re: New Book

Post by Heston » 09 Jun 2018, 12:43pm

Equaliser wrote:
08 Jun 2018, 12:33pm
TeddyB Not Logged In wrote:
07 Jun 2018, 3:43pm
Mick produced the original track of Love Kills.
I always thought Mick was on that track! Sounds like his playing and background vocals. What about Dum Dum Club?
You are correct about Mick on Love kills.
I just polished off some Low Country shrimp & grits and a mess of collards. That's a hell of a strain on the arm.

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Re: New Book

Post by Marky Dread » 30 Jun 2018, 3:45pm

Heston wrote:
30 May 2018, 8:56am
By the way, the book is decent but not much I haven't read before. The author has some strange opinions but I suppose that's his personal taste. For example, I love One More Time but it gets short thrift from him.

There are some great pics in the book I'd never seen before, all in very high quality, and the book in general looks very nice. Worth £12 anyway.
I agree with this. A couple of pics that were new to me. It's all a bit obvious but it is nicely presented.
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Re: New Book

Post by Marky Dread » 30 Jun 2018, 3:49pm

Marky Dread wrote:
30 Jun 2018, 3:45pm
Heston wrote:
30 May 2018, 8:56am
By the way, the book is decent but not much I haven't read before. The author has some strange opinions but I suppose that's his personal taste. For example, I love One More Time but it gets short thrift from him.

There are some great pics in the book I'd never seen before, all in very high quality, and the book in general looks very nice. Worth £12 anyway.
I agree with this. A couple of pics that were new to me. It's all a bit obvious but it is nicely presented.
There is a picture of Sean Flynn in the book which looks uncannily like Mick.
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