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Re: Clashing again

Post by msza2 » 03 Nov 2017, 9:58am

Low Down Low wrote:
03 Nov 2017, 9:12am
Marky Dread wrote:
03 Nov 2017, 8:14am
Marky Dread wrote:
03 Nov 2017, 8:12am
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I'd say if it wasn't for Sound System I wouldn't have listened to s/t for the guts of 20 years. Doesn't mean I dont value it highly though. I physically have to ration listening to LC for fear the unthinkable happens and I end up playing it out. And I can't recall the last time I listened to GEER right through, but only recently discovered, after nearly 40 years of listening, that LGIT is actually a great tune, if a bit uninspiring on the lyrical side. They are still full of little surprises like that for me.
Half of GEER is excellent. Probably the self mythologising gets a bit much at time. "All the Young Punks (New Boots and Contracts)" has a stunning tune and some great guitar playing from Mick but is let down by it's hamfisted story.
I would still prefer it to sound like the single/B-sides that predated it like "Pressure Drop" The Prisoner" etc. They were good enough to produce that album with what they already had. Sandy Pearlman was surplus to requirements for me but he is not at fault for the overall sound either.
ATYP is a great tune, I know I should like it more than i do. And was there anything stopping them adding White Man to the mix too if they wanted, though as I said before I like the fact they released so many non-album singles, from a value perspective.
If the suits had done to GEER what they did to the S/T -- drop a few cuts and add Complete Control, White Man, IFTL, et all -- it'd have been the greatest Clash album IMO.

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Re: Clashing again

Post by Marky Dread » 03 Nov 2017, 10:10am

msza2 wrote:
03 Nov 2017, 9:58am
Low Down Low wrote:
03 Nov 2017, 9:12am
Marky Dread wrote:
03 Nov 2017, 8:14am
Marky Dread wrote:
03 Nov 2017, 8:12am
Low Down Low wrote:
03 Nov 2017, 7:45am
I'd say if it wasn't for Sound System I wouldn't have listened to s/t for the guts of 20 years. Doesn't mean I dont value it highly though. I physically have to ration listening to LC for fear the unthinkable happens and I end up playing it out. And I can't recall the last time I listened to GEER right through, but only recently discovered, after nearly 40 years of listening, that LGIT is actually a great tune, if a bit uninspiring on the lyrical side. They are still full of little surprises like that for me.
Half of GEER is excellent. Probably the self mythologising gets a bit much at time. "All the Young Punks (New Boots and Contracts)" has a stunning tune and some great guitar playing from Mick but is let down by it's hamfisted story.
I would still prefer it to sound like the single/B-sides that predated it like "Pressure Drop" The Prisoner" etc. They were good enough to produce that album with what they already had. Sandy Pearlman was surplus to requirements for me but he is not at fault for the overall sound either.
ATYP is a great tune, I know I should like it more than i do. And was there anything stopping them adding White Man to the mix too if they wanted, though as I said before I like the fact they released so many non-album singles, from a value perspective.
If the suits had done to GEER what they did to the S/T -- drop a few cuts and add Complete Control, White Man, IFTL, et all -- it'd have been the greatest Clash album IMO.
So you rate those remaining GEER tracks more than those left on the US S/T?
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Re: Clashing again

Post by msza2 » 03 Nov 2017, 10:51am

Marky Dread wrote:
03 Nov 2017, 10:10am
msza2 wrote:
03 Nov 2017, 9:58am
Low Down Low wrote:
03 Nov 2017, 9:12am
Marky Dread wrote:
03 Nov 2017, 8:14am
Marky Dread wrote:
03 Nov 2017, 8:12am


Half of GEER is excellent. Probably the self mythologising gets a bit much at time. "All the Young Punks (New Boots and Contracts)" has a stunning tune and some great guitar playing from Mick but is let down by it's hamfisted story.
I would still prefer it to sound like the single/B-sides that predated it like "Pressure Drop" The Prisoner" etc. They were good enough to produce that album with what they already had. Sandy Pearlman was surplus to requirements for me but he is not at fault for the overall sound either.
ATYP is a great tune, I know I should like it more than i do. And was there anything stopping them adding White Man to the mix too if they wanted, though as I said before I like the fact they released so many non-album singles, from a value perspective.
If the suits had done to GEER what they did to the S/T -- drop a few cuts and add Complete Control, White Man, IFTL, et all -- it'd have been the greatest Clash album IMO.
So you rate those remaining GEER tracks more than those left on the US S/T?
Not sure if I'd say that exactly, but the non-album tracks sound more at home with the GEER stuff.

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Re: Clashing again

Post by msza2 » 03 Nov 2017, 10:56am

As it is, though, US S/T is my desert island album. So, you know, splitting hairs.

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Re: Clashing again

Post by eumaas » 03 Nov 2017, 10:59am

I think GEER is great, but I noticed upon listening again that the production is sort of uneven.
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Re: Clashing again

Post by Marky Dread » 03 Nov 2017, 11:06am

eumaas wrote:
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I think GEER is great, but I noticed upon listening again that the production is sort of uneven.
Yes that is another way of saying overbearing.
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Re: Clashing again

Post by Marky Dread » 03 Nov 2017, 11:08am

msza2 wrote:
03 Nov 2017, 10:56am
As it is, though, US S/T is my desert island album. So, you know, splitting hairs.
It's hard not to love it as it has so many great tracks. But I can never get behind it for it being anything more than a compilation and does not tell the story of it's time cohesively. Different production and a band at different stages of their career.
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Re: Clashing again

Post by Heston » 03 Nov 2017, 11:24am

eumaas wrote:
03 Nov 2017, 10:59am
I think GEER is great, but I noticed upon listening again that the production is sort of uneven.
Stay Free and Julie sound a bit incongruous on an otherwise very dense album.

I think GEER should have had a bit more Telecaster and a little less Les Paul.
So what does Marconi playing the mamba mean? "Marconi" is referring to the radio itself. It plays a deadly snake. The snake - the mamba - is slithering from the speakers. Ready to kill greedy corporations. Ready to free the world of all that is evil, and to leave behind only the youthful idealism encompassed by the tenets of rock and roll.

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Re: Clashing again

Post by Flex » 03 Nov 2017, 11:27am

eumaas wrote:
03 Nov 2017, 10:59am
I think GEER is great, but I noticed upon listening again that the production is sort of uneven.
Now that Gene has become an SRP, it's up to me to keep flying the GEER flag I guess. :shifty:
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Re: Clashing again

Post by Marky Dread » 03 Nov 2017, 11:36am

Flex wrote:
03 Nov 2017, 11:27am
eumaas wrote:
03 Nov 2017, 10:59am
I think GEER is great, but I noticed upon listening again that the production is sort of uneven.
Now that Gene has become an SRP, it's up to me to keep flying the GEER flag I guess. :shifty:
Stick your GEER flag up yer pole. Seriously though if you listen to the production on tracks like The Prisoner/Pressure Drop/(White Man) in Hammersmith Palais etc you can't tell me that GEER would not have sounded better.
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Re: Clashing again

Post by Flex » 03 Nov 2017, 11:39am

Marky Dread wrote:
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Stick your GEER flag up yer pole. Seriously though if you listen to the production on tracks like The Prisoner/Pressure Drop/(White Man) in Hammersmith Palais etc you can't tell me that GEER would not have sounded better.
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Re: Clashing again

Post by eumaas » 03 Nov 2017, 11:40am

Marky Dread wrote:
03 Nov 2017, 11:06am
eumaas wrote:
03 Nov 2017, 10:59am
I think GEER is great, but I noticed upon listening again that the production is sort of uneven.
Yes that is another way of saying overbearing.
That's an inaccurate characterization of what I said. I mean what I said: uneven. Certain tracks are very beefy, while others lack that touch. Nothing to do with overbearing; rather, I am suggesting that the other tracks sound a bit neglected.
"The only thing that really occurs to me that I can say on this is to point out how fascinating it is that the Hassan-i-Sabbah archetype keeps turning up over and over again ... He disappears up into the mountains and is never seen again. Believe me, he'll never be seen again. He'll live forever because of that."

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Re: Clashing again

Post by eumaas » 03 Nov 2017, 11:42am

If anything I am suggesting more Les Paul.
"The only thing that really occurs to me that I can say on this is to point out how fascinating it is that the Hassan-i-Sabbah archetype keeps turning up over and over again ... He disappears up into the mountains and is never seen again. Believe me, he'll never be seen again. He'll live forever because of that."

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Re: Clashing again

Post by Flex » 03 Nov 2017, 11:44am

eumaas wrote:
03 Nov 2017, 11:42am
If anything I am suggesting more Les Paul.
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Re: Clashing again

Post by Heston » 03 Nov 2017, 11:51am

Marky Dread wrote:
03 Nov 2017, 11:36am
Flex wrote:
03 Nov 2017, 11:27am
eumaas wrote:
03 Nov 2017, 10:59am
I think GEER is great, but I noticed upon listening again that the production is sort of uneven.
Now that Gene has become an SRP, it's up to me to keep flying the GEER flag I guess. :shifty:
Stick your GEER flag up yer pole. Seriously though if you listen to the production on tracks like The Prisoner/Pressure Drop/(White Man) in Hammersmith Palais etc you can't tell me that GEER would not have sounded better.
I'm not a fan of the production on White Man, I think it's a bit tinny.
So what does Marconi playing the mamba mean? "Marconi" is referring to the radio itself. It plays a deadly snake. The snake - the mamba - is slithering from the speakers. Ready to kill greedy corporations. Ready to free the world of all that is evil, and to leave behind only the youthful idealism encompassed by the tenets of rock and roll.

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