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Re: Clash Songs Ranked

Post by Marky Dread » 20 Oct 2017, 10:13am

Dr. Medulla wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 10:07am
Heston wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 9:34am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 9:21am
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20 Oct 2017, 8:50am
Ah man, so many great songs there. What the hell happened to pop music?
You got old, Johnny, you got old.
It's not just that, I've had this argument before and thought about it a lot. There was much more variety back then. These days the charts are full of songs that are made by the same producer, same age range of artists etc. No wildcards, no genre variation.
Well, yes, you're right!

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Re: Clash Songs Ranked

Post by Spiff » 20 Oct 2017, 10:23am

Heston wrote:
19 Oct 2017, 7:07pm
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All very odd it's like they were scarred of success here.
Yep. They could have cleaned up with a few single releases in 1980. Instead of that ill-fated singles campaign they should have milked LC for a couple of more singles. They were like wilful saboteurs of their own career.
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Re: Clash Songs Ranked

Post by Heston » 20 Oct 2017, 11:00am

Dr. Medulla wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 10:07am
How much faith you place on the mainstream and charts will determine how you feel about the quality of music today—it's a matter of where you want to look.
I'm an old fashioned charts type of guy. I want my day to day life to be soundtracked by great music like it used to back in the day.
So what does Marconi playing the mamba mean? "Marconi" is referring to the radio itself. It plays a deadly snake. The snake - the mamba - is slithering from the speakers. Ready to kill greedy corporations. Ready to free the world of all that is evil, and to leave behind only the youthful idealism encompassed by the tenets of rock and roll.

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Re: Clash Songs Ranked

Post by Dr. Medulla » 20 Oct 2017, 11:12am

Heston wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 11:00am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 10:07am
How much faith you place on the mainstream and charts will determine how you feel about the quality of music today—it's a matter of where you want to look.
I'm an old fashioned charts type of guy. I want my day to day life to be soundtracked by great music like it used to back in the day.
It's gone and ain't coming back. Fragmentation is the norm now.
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Re: Clash Songs Ranked

Post by Kory » 20 Oct 2017, 12:46pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 10:07am
Heston wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 9:34am
Dr. Medulla wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 9:21am
Heston wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 8:50am
Ah man, so many great songs there. What the hell happened to pop music?
You got old, Johnny, you got old.
It's not just that, I've had this argument before and thought about it a lot. There was much more variety back then. These days the charts are full of songs that are made by the same producer, same age range of artists etc. No wildcards, no genre variation.
Well, yes, you're right, and that's due, primarily, to consolidation of corporate labels and radio. Controlling the message, consistency, is key because they're looking for predictability to better gauge profitability. What we love about the old days—diversity and oddities—was fundamentality loathed by the music industry because they had no idea what would sell and what wouldn't, so marketing was little more than guesswork. So the charts now are pretty much what corporate interests want. But at the same time, there's a fuck of a lot more diversity overall because musicians have more options available to them outside the mainstream, but it means building a mainstream audience is next to impossible. How much faith you place on the mainstream and charts will determine how you feel about the quality of music today—it's a matter of where you want to look.
I'm grateful for this, but on the other hand, I wonder if we'll ever see anything truly great again (we may have discussed this before). Without the labels to back you up with a living wage, all music is done after work and on weekends. It's difficult to clear your mind and have enough time to really get down to business in that kind of environment.
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Absolutely. Here's another collection of words:

Table salt (spoon hinge)
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Re: Clash Songs Ranked

Post by Dr. Medulla » 20 Oct 2017, 1:03pm

Kory wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 12:46pm
I'm grateful for this, but on the other hand, I wonder if we'll ever see anything truly great again (we may have discussed this before). Without the labels to back you up with a living wage, all music is done after work and on weekends. It's difficult to clear your mind and have enough time to really get down to business in that kind of environment.
I go back and forth on this. Artistically, it's better, I would think, as there are fewer gatekeepers, tho less likely to earn a decent living from music alone. But this loss of a mass audience, I tend to think, reduces the likelihood that music can be much more than diversion, than simple entertainment. At best, it inspires someone who goes on to build something bigger, but the idea of a musician commanding importance like Dylan or the Beatles is very unlikely. As Lester Bangs lamented in his eulogy for Elvis, we'll never agree on anything ever again the way we agreed on Elvis. That's the kind of social tragedy I've tried (and failed) to get students to think about. Fragmentation benefits capitalism. Period. Audiences and artists may believe their specific tastes are being served, but the price is fragmentation.
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Re: Clash Songs Ranked

Post by Kory » 20 Oct 2017, 1:16pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 1:03pm
Kory wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 12:46pm
I'm grateful for this, but on the other hand, I wonder if we'll ever see anything truly great again (we may have discussed this before). Without the labels to back you up with a living wage, all music is done after work and on weekends. It's difficult to clear your mind and have enough time to really get down to business in that kind of environment.
I go back and forth on this. Artistically, it's better, I would think, as there are fewer gatekeepers, tho less likely to earn a decent living from music alone. But this loss of a mass audience, I tend to think, reduces the likelihood that music can be much more than diversion, than simple entertainment. At best, it inspires someone who goes on to build something bigger, but the idea of a musician commanding importance like Dylan or the Beatles is very unlikely. As Lester Bangs lamented in his eulogy for Elvis, we'll never agree on anything ever again the way we agreed on Elvis. That's the kind of social tragedy I've tried (and failed) to get students to think about. Fragmentation benefits capitalism. Period. Audiences and artists may believe their specific tastes are being served, but the price is fragmentation.
I'm a lot less interested in cultural importance than I am in simply creating outstanding tunes. I've come across a lot of bands on Bandcamp, Soundcloud, Facebook, etc. that I quite like, but still nothing that matches or even comes close to the stuff that I think is really great (in the highest definition of the term). I'm concerned that unless a band is made out of trust fund kids, they aren't going to have the mental state or the time to really reach for something higher.
Inder:
Absolutely. Here's another collection of words:

Table salt (spoon hinge)
Octopus (Ukraine)
St. Petersburg (arms)
Ginger beer (cauliflower)
Pat Sajak (PSak)
Lamp post (self evident)
Florida Timeshare (ditto)
Heraclitus (EMI)
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Re: Clash Songs Ranked

Post by Dr. Medulla » 20 Oct 2017, 2:09pm

Kory wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 1:16pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 1:03pm
Kory wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 12:46pm
I'm grateful for this, but on the other hand, I wonder if we'll ever see anything truly great again (we may have discussed this before). Without the labels to back you up with a living wage, all music is done after work and on weekends. It's difficult to clear your mind and have enough time to really get down to business in that kind of environment.
I go back and forth on this. Artistically, it's better, I would think, as there are fewer gatekeepers, tho less likely to earn a decent living from music alone. But this loss of a mass audience, I tend to think, reduces the likelihood that music can be much more than diversion, than simple entertainment. At best, it inspires someone who goes on to build something bigger, but the idea of a musician commanding importance like Dylan or the Beatles is very unlikely. As Lester Bangs lamented in his eulogy for Elvis, we'll never agree on anything ever again the way we agreed on Elvis. That's the kind of social tragedy I've tried (and failed) to get students to think about. Fragmentation benefits capitalism. Period. Audiences and artists may believe their specific tastes are being served, but the price is fragmentation.
I'm a lot less interested in cultural importance than I am in simply creating outstanding tunes. I've come across a lot of bands on Bandcamp, Soundcloud, Facebook, etc. that I quite like, but still nothing that matches or even comes close to the stuff that I think is really great (in the highest definition of the term). I'm concerned that unless a band is made out of trust fund kids, they aren't going to have the mental state or the time to really reach for something higher.
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Re: Clash Songs Ranked

Post by Kory » 20 Oct 2017, 2:25pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 2:09pm
Kory wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 1:16pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 1:03pm
Kory wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 12:46pm
I'm grateful for this, but on the other hand, I wonder if we'll ever see anything truly great again (we may have discussed this before). Without the labels to back you up with a living wage, all music is done after work and on weekends. It's difficult to clear your mind and have enough time to really get down to business in that kind of environment.
I go back and forth on this. Artistically, it's better, I would think, as there are fewer gatekeepers, tho less likely to earn a decent living from music alone. But this loss of a mass audience, I tend to think, reduces the likelihood that music can be much more than diversion, than simple entertainment. At best, it inspires someone who goes on to build something bigger, but the idea of a musician commanding importance like Dylan or the Beatles is very unlikely. As Lester Bangs lamented in his eulogy for Elvis, we'll never agree on anything ever again the way we agreed on Elvis. That's the kind of social tragedy I've tried (and failed) to get students to think about. Fragmentation benefits capitalism. Period. Audiences and artists may believe their specific tastes are being served, but the price is fragmentation.
I'm a lot less interested in cultural importance than I am in simply creating outstanding tunes. I've come across a lot of bands on Bandcamp, Soundcloud, Facebook, etc. that I quite like, but still nothing that matches or even comes close to the stuff that I think is really great (in the highest definition of the term). I'm concerned that unless a band is made out of trust fund kids, they aren't going to have the mental state or the time to really reach for something higher.
Quisling. :shifty:
How so? I have to admit I had to look that word up.
Inder:
Absolutely. Here's another collection of words:

Table salt (spoon hinge)
Octopus (Ukraine)
St. Petersburg (arms)
Ginger beer (cauliflower)
Pat Sajak (PSak)
Lamp post (self evident)
Florida Timeshare (ditto)
Heraclitus (EMI)
Developers (Developers Developers)
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Re: Clash Songs Ranked

Post by Dr. Medulla » 20 Oct 2017, 2:28pm

Kory wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 2:25pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 2:09pm
Kory wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 1:16pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 1:03pm
Kory wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 12:46pm
I'm grateful for this, but on the other hand, I wonder if we'll ever see anything truly great again (we may have discussed this before). Without the labels to back you up with a living wage, all music is done after work and on weekends. It's difficult to clear your mind and have enough time to really get down to business in that kind of environment.
I go back and forth on this. Artistically, it's better, I would think, as there are fewer gatekeepers, tho less likely to earn a decent living from music alone. But this loss of a mass audience, I tend to think, reduces the likelihood that music can be much more than diversion, than simple entertainment. At best, it inspires someone who goes on to build something bigger, but the idea of a musician commanding importance like Dylan or the Beatles is very unlikely. As Lester Bangs lamented in his eulogy for Elvis, we'll never agree on anything ever again the way we agreed on Elvis. That's the kind of social tragedy I've tried (and failed) to get students to think about. Fragmentation benefits capitalism. Period. Audiences and artists may believe their specific tastes are being served, but the price is fragmentation.
I'm a lot less interested in cultural importance than I am in simply creating outstanding tunes. I've come across a lot of bands on Bandcamp, Soundcloud, Facebook, etc. that I quite like, but still nothing that matches or even comes close to the stuff that I think is really great (in the highest definition of the term). I'm concerned that unless a band is made out of trust fund kids, they aren't going to have the mental state or the time to really reach for something higher.
Quisling. :shifty:
How so? I have to admit I had to look that word up.
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Re: Clash Songs Ranked

Post by Kory » 20 Oct 2017, 3:50pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 2:28pm
Kory wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 2:25pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 2:09pm
Kory wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 1:16pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 1:03pm


I go back and forth on this. Artistically, it's better, I would think, as there are fewer gatekeepers, tho less likely to earn a decent living from music alone. But this loss of a mass audience, I tend to think, reduces the likelihood that music can be much more than diversion, than simple entertainment. At best, it inspires someone who goes on to build something bigger, but the idea of a musician commanding importance like Dylan or the Beatles is very unlikely. As Lester Bangs lamented in his eulogy for Elvis, we'll never agree on anything ever again the way we agreed on Elvis. That's the kind of social tragedy I've tried (and failed) to get students to think about. Fragmentation benefits capitalism. Period. Audiences and artists may believe their specific tastes are being served, but the price is fragmentation.
I'm a lot less interested in cultural importance than I am in simply creating outstanding tunes. I've come across a lot of bands on Bandcamp, Soundcloud, Facebook, etc. that I quite like, but still nothing that matches or even comes close to the stuff that I think is really great (in the highest definition of the term). I'm concerned that unless a band is made out of trust fund kids, they aren't going to have the mental state or the time to really reach for something higher.
Quisling. :shifty:
How so? I have to admit I had to look that word up.
You're being counter-revolutionary in your bourgeois self-interest. You'll hang …
BRING IT
Inder:
Absolutely. Here's another collection of words:

Table salt (spoon hinge)
Octopus (Ukraine)
St. Petersburg (arms)
Ginger beer (cauliflower)
Pat Sajak (PSak)
Lamp post (self evident)
Florida Timeshare (ditto)
Heraclitus (EMI)
Developers (Developers Developers)
Boogie With Your Children

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Re: Clash Songs Ranked

Post by Dr. Medulla » 20 Oct 2017, 4:05pm

Kory wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 3:50pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 2:28pm
Kory wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 2:25pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 2:09pm
Kory wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 1:16pm


I'm a lot less interested in cultural importance than I am in simply creating outstanding tunes. I've come across a lot of bands on Bandcamp, Soundcloud, Facebook, etc. that I quite like, but still nothing that matches or even comes close to the stuff that I think is really great (in the highest definition of the term). I'm concerned that unless a band is made out of trust fund kids, they aren't going to have the mental state or the time to really reach for something higher.
Quisling. :shifty:
How so? I have to admit I had to look that word up.
You're being counter-revolutionary in your bourgeois self-interest. You'll hang …
BRING IT
I am so looking forward to the revolution, if only for this.
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Re: Clash Songs Ranked

Post by Kory » 20 Oct 2017, 4:24pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 4:05pm
Kory wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 3:50pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 2:28pm
Kory wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 2:25pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 2:09pm

Quisling. :shifty:
How so? I have to admit I had to look that word up.
You're being counter-revolutionary in your bourgeois self-interest. You'll hang …
BRING IT
I am so looking forward to the revolution, if only for this.
Indeed. I'll have the sweet release of death, and you'll have thousands of drab bands.
Inder:
Absolutely. Here's another collection of words:

Table salt (spoon hinge)
Octopus (Ukraine)
St. Petersburg (arms)
Ginger beer (cauliflower)
Pat Sajak (PSak)
Lamp post (self evident)
Florida Timeshare (ditto)
Heraclitus (EMI)
Developers (Developers Developers)
Boogie With Your Children

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Re: Clash Songs Ranked

Post by Dr. Medulla » 20 Oct 2017, 5:19pm

Kory wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 4:24pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 4:05pm
Kory wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 3:50pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 2:28pm
Kory wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 2:25pm


How so? I have to admit I had to look that word up.
You're being counter-revolutionary in your bourgeois self-interest. You'll hang …
BRING IT
I am so looking forward to the revolution, if only for this.
Indeed. I'll have the sweet release of death, and you'll have thousands of drab bands.
Your blood will finally make Starship sound good.

(Man, shit's gotten dark.)
Walrus birth doesn't make good breakfast conversation!

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Re: Clash Songs Ranked

Post by Marky Dread » 20 Oct 2017, 6:48pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 5:19pm
Kory wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 4:24pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 4:05pm
Kory wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 3:50pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 2:28pm


You're being counter-revolutionary in your bourgeois self-interest. You'll hang …
BRING IT
I am so looking forward to the revolution, if only for this.
Indeed. I'll have the sweet release of death, and you'll have thousands of drab bands.
Your blood will finally make Starship sound good.

(Man, shit's gotten dark.)
Hey you two...get a room! :twitch:
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