Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 10:07amWell, yes, you're right!Heston wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 9:34amIt's not just that, I've had this argument before and thought about it a lot. There was much more variety back then. These days the charts are full of songs that are made by the same producer, same age range of artists etc. No wildcards, no genre variation.
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I'm an old fashioned charts type of guy. I want my day to day life to be soundtracked by great music like it used to back in the day.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 10:07amHow much faith you place on the mainstream and charts will determine how you feel about the quality of music today—it's a matter of where you want to look.
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It's gone and ain't coming back. Fragmentation is the norm now.Heston wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 11:00amI'm an old fashioned charts type of guy. I want my day to day life to be soundtracked by great music like it used to back in the day.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 10:07amHow much faith you place on the mainstream and charts will determine how you feel about the quality of music today—it's a matter of where you want to look.
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I'm grateful for this, but on the other hand, I wonder if we'll ever see anything truly great again (we may have discussed this before). Without the labels to back you up with a living wage, all music is done after work and on weekends. It's difficult to clear your mind and have enough time to really get down to business in that kind of environment.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 10:07amWell, yes, you're right, and that's due, primarily, to consolidation of corporate labels and radio. Controlling the message, consistency, is key because they're looking for predictability to better gauge profitability. What we love about the old days—diversity and oddities—was fundamentality loathed by the music industry because they had no idea what would sell and what wouldn't, so marketing was little more than guesswork. So the charts now are pretty much what corporate interests want. But at the same time, there's a fuck of a lot more diversity overall because musicians have more options available to them outside the mainstream, but it means building a mainstream audience is next to impossible. How much faith you place on the mainstream and charts will determine how you feel about the quality of music today—it's a matter of where you want to look.Heston wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 9:34amIt's not just that, I've had this argument before and thought about it a lot. There was much more variety back then. These days the charts are full of songs that are made by the same producer, same age range of artists etc. No wildcards, no genre variation.
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I go back and forth on this. Artistically, it's better, I would think, as there are fewer gatekeepers, tho less likely to earn a decent living from music alone. But this loss of a mass audience, I tend to think, reduces the likelihood that music can be much more than diversion, than simple entertainment. At best, it inspires someone who goes on to build something bigger, but the idea of a musician commanding importance like Dylan or the Beatles is very unlikely. As Lester Bangs lamented in his eulogy for Elvis, we'll never agree on anything ever again the way we agreed on Elvis. That's the kind of social tragedy I've tried (and failed) to get students to think about. Fragmentation benefits capitalism. Period. Audiences and artists may believe their specific tastes are being served, but the price is fragmentation.Kory wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 12:46pmI'm grateful for this, but on the other hand, I wonder if we'll ever see anything truly great again (we may have discussed this before). Without the labels to back you up with a living wage, all music is done after work and on weekends. It's difficult to clear your mind and have enough time to really get down to business in that kind of environment.
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I'm a lot less interested in cultural importance than I am in simply creating outstanding tunes. I've come across a lot of bands on Bandcamp, Soundcloud, Facebook, etc. that I quite like, but still nothing that matches or even comes close to the stuff that I think is really great (in the highest definition of the term). I'm concerned that unless a band is made out of trust fund kids, they aren't going to have the mental state or the time to really reach for something higher.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 1:03pmI go back and forth on this. Artistically, it's better, I would think, as there are fewer gatekeepers, tho less likely to earn a decent living from music alone. But this loss of a mass audience, I tend to think, reduces the likelihood that music can be much more than diversion, than simple entertainment. At best, it inspires someone who goes on to build something bigger, but the idea of a musician commanding importance like Dylan or the Beatles is very unlikely. As Lester Bangs lamented in his eulogy for Elvis, we'll never agree on anything ever again the way we agreed on Elvis. That's the kind of social tragedy I've tried (and failed) to get students to think about. Fragmentation benefits capitalism. Period. Audiences and artists may believe their specific tastes are being served, but the price is fragmentation.Kory wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 12:46pmI'm grateful for this, but on the other hand, I wonder if we'll ever see anything truly great again (we may have discussed this before). Without the labels to back you up with a living wage, all music is done after work and on weekends. It's difficult to clear your mind and have enough time to really get down to business in that kind of environment.
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Quisling.Kory wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 1:16pmI'm a lot less interested in cultural importance than I am in simply creating outstanding tunes. I've come across a lot of bands on Bandcamp, Soundcloud, Facebook, etc. that I quite like, but still nothing that matches or even comes close to the stuff that I think is really great (in the highest definition of the term). I'm concerned that unless a band is made out of trust fund kids, they aren't going to have the mental state or the time to really reach for something higher.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 1:03pmI go back and forth on this. Artistically, it's better, I would think, as there are fewer gatekeepers, tho less likely to earn a decent living from music alone. But this loss of a mass audience, I tend to think, reduces the likelihood that music can be much more than diversion, than simple entertainment. At best, it inspires someone who goes on to build something bigger, but the idea of a musician commanding importance like Dylan or the Beatles is very unlikely. As Lester Bangs lamented in his eulogy for Elvis, we'll never agree on anything ever again the way we agreed on Elvis. That's the kind of social tragedy I've tried (and failed) to get students to think about. Fragmentation benefits capitalism. Period. Audiences and artists may believe their specific tastes are being served, but the price is fragmentation.Kory wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 12:46pmI'm grateful for this, but on the other hand, I wonder if we'll ever see anything truly great again (we may have discussed this before). Without the labels to back you up with a living wage, all music is done after work and on weekends. It's difficult to clear your mind and have enough time to really get down to business in that kind of environment.
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How so? I have to admit I had to look that word up.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 2:09pmQuisling.Kory wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 1:16pmI'm a lot less interested in cultural importance than I am in simply creating outstanding tunes. I've come across a lot of bands on Bandcamp, Soundcloud, Facebook, etc. that I quite like, but still nothing that matches or even comes close to the stuff that I think is really great (in the highest definition of the term). I'm concerned that unless a band is made out of trust fund kids, they aren't going to have the mental state or the time to really reach for something higher.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 1:03pmI go back and forth on this. Artistically, it's better, I would think, as there are fewer gatekeepers, tho less likely to earn a decent living from music alone. But this loss of a mass audience, I tend to think, reduces the likelihood that music can be much more than diversion, than simple entertainment. At best, it inspires someone who goes on to build something bigger, but the idea of a musician commanding importance like Dylan or the Beatles is very unlikely. As Lester Bangs lamented in his eulogy for Elvis, we'll never agree on anything ever again the way we agreed on Elvis. That's the kind of social tragedy I've tried (and failed) to get students to think about. Fragmentation benefits capitalism. Period. Audiences and artists may believe their specific tastes are being served, but the price is fragmentation.Kory wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 12:46pmI'm grateful for this, but on the other hand, I wonder if we'll ever see anything truly great again (we may have discussed this before). Without the labels to back you up with a living wage, all music is done after work and on weekends. It's difficult to clear your mind and have enough time to really get down to business in that kind of environment.
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You're being counter-revolutionary in your bourgeois self-interest. You'll hang …Kory wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 2:25pmHow so? I have to admit I had to look that word up.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 2:09pmQuisling.Kory wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 1:16pmI'm a lot less interested in cultural importance than I am in simply creating outstanding tunes. I've come across a lot of bands on Bandcamp, Soundcloud, Facebook, etc. that I quite like, but still nothing that matches or even comes close to the stuff that I think is really great (in the highest definition of the term). I'm concerned that unless a band is made out of trust fund kids, they aren't going to have the mental state or the time to really reach for something higher.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 1:03pmI go back and forth on this. Artistically, it's better, I would think, as there are fewer gatekeepers, tho less likely to earn a decent living from music alone. But this loss of a mass audience, I tend to think, reduces the likelihood that music can be much more than diversion, than simple entertainment. At best, it inspires someone who goes on to build something bigger, but the idea of a musician commanding importance like Dylan or the Beatles is very unlikely. As Lester Bangs lamented in his eulogy for Elvis, we'll never agree on anything ever again the way we agreed on Elvis. That's the kind of social tragedy I've tried (and failed) to get students to think about. Fragmentation benefits capitalism. Period. Audiences and artists may believe their specific tastes are being served, but the price is fragmentation.Kory wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 12:46pmI'm grateful for this, but on the other hand, I wonder if we'll ever see anything truly great again (we may have discussed this before). Without the labels to back you up with a living wage, all music is done after work and on weekends. It's difficult to clear your mind and have enough time to really get down to business in that kind of environment.
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BRING ITDr. Medulla wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 2:28pmYou're being counter-revolutionary in your bourgeois self-interest. You'll hang …Kory wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 2:25pmHow so? I have to admit I had to look that word up.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 2:09pmQuisling.Kory wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 1:16pmI'm a lot less interested in cultural importance than I am in simply creating outstanding tunes. I've come across a lot of bands on Bandcamp, Soundcloud, Facebook, etc. that I quite like, but still nothing that matches or even comes close to the stuff that I think is really great (in the highest definition of the term). I'm concerned that unless a band is made out of trust fund kids, they aren't going to have the mental state or the time to really reach for something higher.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 1:03pm
I go back and forth on this. Artistically, it's better, I would think, as there are fewer gatekeepers, tho less likely to earn a decent living from music alone. But this loss of a mass audience, I tend to think, reduces the likelihood that music can be much more than diversion, than simple entertainment. At best, it inspires someone who goes on to build something bigger, but the idea of a musician commanding importance like Dylan or the Beatles is very unlikely. As Lester Bangs lamented in his eulogy for Elvis, we'll never agree on anything ever again the way we agreed on Elvis. That's the kind of social tragedy I've tried (and failed) to get students to think about. Fragmentation benefits capitalism. Period. Audiences and artists may believe their specific tastes are being served, but the price is fragmentation.
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I am so looking forward to the revolution, if only for this.Kory wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 3:50pmBRING ITDr. Medulla wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 2:28pmYou're being counter-revolutionary in your bourgeois self-interest. You'll hang …Kory wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 2:25pmHow so? I have to admit I had to look that word up.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 2:09pmQuisling.Kory wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 1:16pm
I'm a lot less interested in cultural importance than I am in simply creating outstanding tunes. I've come across a lot of bands on Bandcamp, Soundcloud, Facebook, etc. that I quite like, but still nothing that matches or even comes close to the stuff that I think is really great (in the highest definition of the term). I'm concerned that unless a band is made out of trust fund kids, they aren't going to have the mental state or the time to really reach for something higher.
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Indeed. I'll have the sweet release of death, and you'll have thousands of drab bands.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 4:05pmI am so looking forward to the revolution, if only for this.
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Your blood will finally make Starship sound good.Kory wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 4:24pmIndeed. I'll have the sweet release of death, and you'll have thousands of drab bands.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 4:05pmI am so looking forward to the revolution, if only for this.
(Man, shit's gotten dark.)
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Hey you two...get a room!Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 5:19pmYour blood will finally make Starship sound good.Kory wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 4:24pmIndeed. I'll have the sweet release of death, and you'll have thousands of drab bands.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 4:05pmI am so looking forward to the revolution, if only for this.Kory wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 3:50pmBRING ITDr. Medulla wrote: ↑20 Oct 2017, 2:28pm
You're being counter-revolutionary in your bourgeois self-interest. You'll hang …
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