Re: Cut the Crap (Redux Edition)
Posted: 28 Aug 2017, 6:30am
Cheers Marky!
It's more like duet than a Nick lead vocal. Joe even has some lines to himself.appleseed1 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2017, 9:12pmI'm still processing this after several listens. It's been so long since I've heard the original that it's hard to compare. It's definitely an improvement, though -- Cool Under Heat, Are You Red Y, Dirty Punk and Movers and Shakers all seem to have had some crap cut from them. Thanks again, Marky.
I do wonder who decided for Sheppard to do lead vocals on North and South. I actually like that song, but obviously Joe could've done so much more with it. Perhaps they were trying to recreate the old egalitarian spirit with Mick having so many songs of his own to sing.
I long for the stems to remix this. If only all the samples could be removed on Dictator and those hideous horns. I think that would at least make some of the synth drums more tolerable.Heston wrote: ↑01 Sep 2017, 3:58pmIt's more like duet than a Nick lead vocal. Joe even has some lines to himself.appleseed1 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2017, 9:12pmI'm still processing this after several listens. It's been so long since I've heard the original that it's hard to compare. It's definitely an improvement, though -- Cool Under Heat, Are You Red Y, Dirty Punk and Movers and Shakers all seem to have had some crap cut from them. Thanks again, Marky.
I do wonder who decided for Sheppard to do lead vocals on North and South. I actually like that song, but obviously Joe could've done so much more with it. Perhaps they were trying to recreate the old egalitarian spirit with Mick having so many songs of his own to sing.
I think Nick does a decent job. OK he's no Joe but the two of them together sound pretty good. I also think Joe could've done a lot worse than sticking with Nick and Pete and releasing Shouting Street as his first solo outing.
I finally gave this a proper listen today, I'm loving the deeper bass, especially noticeable on Three Card Trick.
I have a drummer on stand by if the stems ever come out. It would be so easy to replace the drum machine. Strip it back to a couple of guitars, bass and Joe's vocals and you would be in business. Dictator gets crazier every time I hear it, I really don't know what the hell was going on at the mixing session.Marky Dread wrote: ↑01 Sep 2017, 5:28pmI long for the stems to remix this. If only all the samples could be removed on Dictator and those hideous horns. I think that would at least make some of the synth drums more tolerable.Heston wrote: ↑01 Sep 2017, 3:58pmIt's more like duet than a Nick lead vocal. Joe even has some lines to himself.appleseed1 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2017, 9:12pmI'm still processing this after several listens. It's been so long since I've heard the original that it's hard to compare. It's definitely an improvement, though -- Cool Under Heat, Are You Red Y, Dirty Punk and Movers and Shakers all seem to have had some crap cut from them. Thanks again, Marky.
I do wonder who decided for Sheppard to do lead vocals on North and South. I actually like that song, but obviously Joe could've done so much more with it. Perhaps they were trying to recreate the old egalitarian spirit with Mick having so many songs of his own to sing.
I think Nick does a decent job. OK he's no Joe but the two of them together sound pretty good. I also think Joe could've done a lot worse than sticking with Nick and Pete and releasing Shouting Street as his first solo outing.
I finally gave this a proper listen today, I'm loving the deeper bass, especially noticeable on Three Card Trick.
I think Bernie was just chucking in everything including the kitchen sink into the mix. It's not really all that surprising what Bernie did to Out of Contol and turning it into Cut the Crap. Let's not forget it was Bernie who was responsible for the Black Arabs on the Swindle album. Joe really should've seen all this coming.Heston wrote: ↑01 Sep 2017, 5:44pmI have a drummer on stand by if the stems ever come out. It would be so easy to replace the drum machine. Strip it back to a couple of guitars, bass and Joe's vocals and you would be in business. Dictator gets crazier every time I hear it, I really don't know what the hell was going on at the mixing session.Marky Dread wrote: ↑01 Sep 2017, 5:28pmI long for the stems to remix this. If only all the samples could be removed on Dictator and those hideous horns. I think that would at least make some of the synth drums more tolerable.Heston wrote: ↑01 Sep 2017, 3:58pmIt's more like duet than a Nick lead vocal. Joe even has some lines to himself.appleseed1 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2017, 9:12pmI'm still processing this after several listens. It's been so long since I've heard the original that it's hard to compare. It's definitely an improvement, though -- Cool Under Heat, Are You Red Y, Dirty Punk and Movers and Shakers all seem to have had some crap cut from them. Thanks again, Marky.
I do wonder who decided for Sheppard to do lead vocals on North and South. I actually like that song, but obviously Joe could've done so much more with it. Perhaps they were trying to recreate the old egalitarian spirit with Mick having so many songs of his own to sing.
I think Nick does a decent job. OK he's no Joe but the two of them together sound pretty good. I also think Joe could've done a lot worse than sticking with Nick and Pete and releasing Shouting Street as his first solo outing.
I finally gave this a proper listen today, I'm loving the deeper bass, especially noticeable on Three Card Trick.
On the Swindle it works fine. The whole joke was the piss-take of the music biz. Cut the Crap however was not so funny for a premiere group making a come back.coffeepotman wrote: ↑02 Sep 2017, 10:03amI didn't know about that Bernie was responsible for Black Arabs, I actually thought it was pretty funny, CTC not so funny.
I can't think of an another album that I'd rather hear remixed from the ground up with the stems than CTC. Earthquake Weather springs to mind obviously, but in a triage situation CTC goes to the operating room first.I long for the stems to remix this. If only all the samples could be removed on Dictator and those hideous horns. I think that would at least make some of the synth drums more tolerable.
'The Black Arabs' were an original group and not the Subaway Sect. Although I understand the slight confusion. In 1979 after Bernie Rhodes had sacked the current Subway Sect members Bob Ward/Colin Scott/Johnny Britten/Spartan Atkinson and retaining only Vic Godard the album "What's The Matter Boy?" was recorded and the backing vocals and percussion was provided by The Black Arabs. Also on these recording were Terry Chimes (Drums) and his brother Paul Chimes (Bass). The Black Arabs had also been used previously for the recording of Subway Sects debut album that was recorded in 1977 at Gooseberry Studios, London. Only a handful of tracks from this recording remain as the master tapes are lost.appleseed1 wrote: ↑03 Oct 2017, 11:44pmI can't think of an another album that I'd rather hear remixed from the ground up with the stems than CTC. Earthquake Weather springs to mind obviously, but in a triage situation CTC goes to the operating room first.I long for the stems to remix this. If only all the samples could be removed on Dictator and those hideous horns. I think that would at least make some of the synth drums more tolerable.
And count me as surprised as well to hear about Rhodes' input on that Black Arabs track. It makes sense, though, since I've heard that Subway Sect was involved in the track, or were the Black Arabs themselves.
To what extent were they involved? Just for reinforcement, or was it more of a Mick/Paul replacement situation?Marky Dread wrote: ↑04 Oct 2017, 2:37amThe Black Arabs had also been used previously for the recording of Subway Sects debut album that was recorded in 1977 at Gooseberry Studios, London. Only a handful of tracks from this recording remain as the master tapes are lost.
It is mentioned by Vic himself in the sleevenotes for the reissued "What's The Matter Boy?". Just Percussion and backing vocals as far as I can tell. I think though I've misread this and what Vic is saying only refers to the Chimes brothers on that original '77 album. I don't think the Black Arabs were formed in '77 but later in '78.Kory wrote: ↑04 Oct 2017, 12:27pmTo what extent were they involved? Just for reinforcement, or was it more of a Mick/Paul replacement situation?Marky Dread wrote: ↑04 Oct 2017, 2:37amThe Black Arabs had also been used previously for the recording of Subway Sects debut album that was recorded in 1977 at Gooseberry Studios, London. Only a handful of tracks from this recording remain as the master tapes are lost.
Ah, interesting. Thanks!Marky Dread wrote: ↑04 Oct 2017, 1:49pmIt is mentioned by Vic himself in the sleevenotes for the reissued "What's The Matter Boy?". Just Percussion and backing vocals as far as I can tell. I think though I've misread this and what Vic is saying only refers to the Chimes brothers on that original '77 album. I don't think the Black Arabs were formed in '77 but later in '78.Kory wrote: ↑04 Oct 2017, 12:27pmTo what extent were they involved? Just for reinforcement, or was it more of a Mick/Paul replacement situation?Marky Dread wrote: ↑04 Oct 2017, 2:37amThe Black Arabs had also been used previously for the recording of Subway Sects debut album that was recorded in 1977 at Gooseberry Studios, London. Only a handful of tracks from this recording remain as the master tapes are lost.
Bernie wanted to be an "artist" like Malcolm!Heston wrote: ↑01 Sep 2017, 5:44pmI have a drummer on stand by if the stems ever come out. It would be so easy to replace the drum machine. Strip it back to a couple of guitars, bass and Joe's vocals and you would be in business. Dictator gets crazier every time I hear it, I really don't know what the hell was going on at the mixing session.Marky Dread wrote: ↑01 Sep 2017, 5:28pmI long for the stems to remix this. If only all the samples could be removed on Dictator and those hideous horns. I think that would at least make some of the synth drums more tolerable.Heston wrote: ↑01 Sep 2017, 3:58pmIt's more like duet than a Nick lead vocal. Joe even has some lines to himself.appleseed1 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2017, 9:12pmI'm still processing this after several listens. It's been so long since I've heard the original that it's hard to compare. It's definitely an improvement, though -- Cool Under Heat, Are You Red Y, Dirty Punk and Movers and Shakers all seem to have had some crap cut from them. Thanks again, Marky.
I do wonder who decided for Sheppard to do lead vocals on North and South. I actually like that song, but obviously Joe could've done so much more with it. Perhaps they were trying to recreate the old egalitarian spirit with Mick having so many songs of his own to sing.
I think Nick does a decent job. OK he's no Joe but the two of them together sound pretty good. I also think Joe could've done a lot worse than sticking with Nick and Pete and releasing Shouting Street as his first solo outing.
I finally gave this a proper listen today, I'm loving the deeper bass, especially noticeable on Three Card Trick.