Are the songs in the movie the ones that Glen did? I mean the songs that the actors are pretending to play along to.Marky Dread wrote:Authenticity....money. Every other bugger was making dough out of the Pistols around this time so why not Glen. His Pistols severance pay was a joke.matedog wrote:Can someone explain why Matlock covered his own songs with some other dudes for this movie?biopunk wrote:Yes! I remember the version of 'No Feelings' and wanting to hear the rest of it.Marky Dread wrote:I want to hear the other Pistols covers that feature Matlock and Stevenson.
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Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.
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Yes, stuff like "I Wanna Be Your Dog" and all the Pistols numbers and other covers like "(I'm Not Your) Stepping Stone feature Glen on bass and James Stevenson on guitar with Gary Oldman (Vicious), Andrew Schofield (Rotten). Even the Xray Spex song "Oh Bondage Up Yours" is Matlock and Stevenson with Sallie Ann Field providing vocals.matedog wrote:Are the songs in the movie the ones that Glen did? I mean the songs that the actors are pretending to play along to.Marky Dread wrote:Authenticity....money. Every other bugger was making dough out of the Pistols around this time so why not Glen. His Pistols severance pay was a joke.matedog wrote:Can someone explain why Matlock covered his own songs with some other dudes for this movie?biopunk wrote:Yes! I remember the version of 'No Feelings' and wanting to hear the rest of it.Marky Dread wrote:I want to hear the other Pistols covers that feature Matlock and Stevenson.
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not sure if this has been mentioned already, but there is a new Sid and Nancy film in the works, directed by Danny Garcia. Due out this summer.
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I watch with interest. But I feel there can't be much left to say about Sid's very short life.rudebhoy wrote:not sure if this has been mentioned already, but there is a new Sid and Nancy film in the works, directed by Danny Garcia. Due out this summer.
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I agree. Do we need another romanticized account like Cox' film? Does Garcia have the stones to do a harsh account of a couple self-destructive junkies?Marky Dread wrote:I watch with interest. But I feel there can't be much left to say about Sid's very short life.rudebhoy wrote:not sure if this has been mentioned already, but there is a new Sid and Nancy film in the works, directed by Danny Garcia. Due out this summer.
http://sidandnancylovekills.blogspot.co ... arcia.html
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It was done already. Alan G. Parker's documentary "Who Killed Nancy" covers this about as thoroughly as you're gonna get. Speaking with the various movers and shakers from the time. It's belived that Sid did not kill Nancy but some junkie/thief associate called Michael that mysteriously disappeared. A few people have mentioned this guy "Michael" most notably Steve Dior who played with Sid in the ad hoc band The Idols which played the gigs at Max's.Dr. Medulla wrote:I agree. Do we need another romanticized account like Cox' film? Does Garcia have the stones to do a harsh account of a couple self-destructive junkies?Marky Dread wrote:I watch with interest. But I feel there can't be much left to say about Sid's very short life.rudebhoy wrote:not sure if this has been mentioned already, but there is a new Sid and Nancy film in the works, directed by Danny Garcia. Due out this summer.
http://sidandnancylovekills.blogspot.co ... arcia.html
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You're right. And I've even seen it. Whether it's this suspect or not, it's seems more probable to me that someone not incapacitated by a heavy dose of heroin killed her. Not as perversely "romantic," but the narrative isn't always convenient.Marky Dread wrote:It was done already. Alan G. Parker's documentary "Who Killed Nancy" covers this about as thoroughly as you're gonna get. Speaking with the various movers and shakers from the time. It's belived that Sid did not kill Nancy but some junkie/thief associate called Michael that mysteriously disappeared. A few people have mentioned this guy "Michael" most notably Steve Dior who played with Sid in the ad hoc band The Idols which played the gigs at Max's.Dr. Medulla wrote:I agree. Do we need another romanticized account like Cox' film? Does Garcia have the stones to do a harsh account of a couple self-destructive junkies?Marky Dread wrote:I watch with interest. But I feel there can't be much left to say about Sid's very short life.rudebhoy wrote:not sure if this has been mentioned already, but there is a new Sid and Nancy film in the works, directed by Danny Garcia. Due out this summer.
http://sidandnancylovekills.blogspot.co ... arcia.html
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Yeah that's my take on it also. I believe Sid truly loved her and was like a little boy with a bag of sweets around her. They did have a death pact or so the note says anyway. I'm sure at this stage they would've gone out together. Many things killed Sid his destructive nature, the fact he obtained too much fame too soon at a young age. The success of the My Way single and the Vivious White Kids gig didn't help as it meant he left for New York with a pocket full of cash to spend on the Chelsea and Heroin.Dr. Medulla wrote:You're right. And I've even seen it. Whether it's this suspect or not, it's seems more probable to me that someone not incapacitated by a heavy dose of heroin killed her. Not as perversely "romantic," but the narrative isn't always convenient.Marky Dread wrote:It was done already. Alan G. Parker's documentary "Who Killed Nancy" covers this about as thoroughly as you're gonna get. Speaking with the various movers and shakers from the time. It's belived that Sid did not kill Nancy but some junkie/thief associate called Michael that mysteriously disappeared. A few people have mentioned this guy "Michael" most notably Steve Dior who played with Sid in the ad hoc band The Idols which played the gigs at Max's.Dr. Medulla wrote:I agree. Do we need another romanticized account like Cox' film? Does Garcia have the stones to do a harsh account of a couple self-destructive junkies?Marky Dread wrote:I watch with interest. But I feel there can't be much left to say about Sid's very short life.rudebhoy wrote:not sure if this has been mentioned already, but there is a new Sid and Nancy film in the works, directed by Danny Garcia. Due out this summer.
http://sidandnancylovekills.blogspot.co ... arcia.html
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and everyone knew he had a pocket full of cash as well. I always thought the robbery / dealer theory was far more believable than Sid.Marky Dread wrote:Yeah that's my take on it also. I believe Sid truly loved her and was like a little boy with a bag of sweets around her. They did have a death pact or so the note says anyway. I'm sure at this stage they would've gone out together. Many things killed Sid his destructive nature, the fact he obtained too much fame too soon at a young age. The success of the My Way single and the Vivious White Kids gig didn't help as it meant he left for New York with a pocket full of cash to spend on the Chelsea and Heroin.Dr. Medulla wrote:You're right. And I've even seen it. Whether it's this suspect or not, it's seems more probable to me that someone not incapacitated by a heavy dose of heroin killed her. Not as perversely "romantic," but the narrative isn't always convenient.Marky Dread wrote:It was done already. Alan G. Parker's documentary "Who Killed Nancy" covers this about as thoroughly as you're gonna get. Speaking with the various movers and shakers from the time. It's belived that Sid did not kill Nancy but some junkie/thief associate called Michael that mysteriously disappeared. A few people have mentioned this guy "Michael" most notably Steve Dior who played with Sid in the ad hoc band The Idols which played the gigs at Max's.Dr. Medulla wrote:I agree. Do we need another romanticized account like Cox' film? Does Garcia have the stones to do a harsh account of a couple self-destructive junkies?Marky Dread wrote: I watch with interest. But I feel there can't be much left to say about Sid's very short life.
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Yep same here. Sid was a big baby.101Walterton wrote:and everyone knew he had a pocket full of cash as well. I always thought the robbery / dealer theory was far more believable than Sid.Marky Dread wrote:Yeah that's my take on it also. I believe Sid truly loved her and was like a little boy with a bag of sweets around her. They did have a death pact or so the note says anyway. I'm sure at this stage they would've gone out together. Many things killed Sid his destructive nature, the fact he obtained too much fame too soon at a young age. The success of the My Way single and the Vivious White Kids gig didn't help as it meant he left for New York with a pocket full of cash to spend on the Chelsea and Heroin.Dr. Medulla wrote:You're right. And I've even seen it. Whether it's this suspect or not, it's seems more probable to me that someone not incapacitated by a heavy dose of heroin killed her. Not as perversely "romantic," but the narrative isn't always convenient.Marky Dread wrote:It was done already. Alan G. Parker's documentary "Who Killed Nancy" covers this about as thoroughly as you're gonna get. Speaking with the various movers and shakers from the time. It's belived that Sid did not kill Nancy but some junkie/thief associate called Michael that mysteriously disappeared. A few people have mentioned this guy "Michael" most notably Steve Dior who played with Sid in the ad hoc band The Idols which played the gigs at Max's.Dr. Medulla wrote: I agree. Do we need another romanticized account like Cox' film? Does Garcia have the stones to do a harsh account of a couple self-destructive junkies?
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The circumstances and people involved along with the tines ensured a proper investigation wasn't going to happen.Marky Dread wrote:Yep same here. Sid was a big baby.101Walterton wrote:and everyone knew he had a pocket full of cash as well. I always thought the robbery / dealer theory was far more believable than Sid.Marky Dread wrote:Yeah that's my take on it also. I believe Sid truly loved her and was like a little boy with a bag of sweets around her. They did have a death pact or so the note says anyway. I'm sure at this stage they would've gone out together. Many things killed Sid his destructive nature, the fact he obtained too much fame too soon at a young age. The success of the My Way single and the Vivious White Kids gig didn't help as it meant he left for New York with a pocket full of cash to spend on the Chelsea and Heroin.Dr. Medulla wrote:You're right. And I've even seen it. Whether it's this suspect or not, it's seems more probable to me that someone not incapacitated by a heavy dose of heroin killed her. Not as perversely "romantic," but the narrative isn't always convenient.Marky Dread wrote: It was done already. Alan G. Parker's documentary "Who Killed Nancy" covers this about as thoroughly as you're gonna get. Speaking with the various movers and shakers from the time. It's belived that Sid did not kill Nancy but some junkie/thief associate called Michael that mysteriously disappeared. A few people have mentioned this guy "Michael" most notably Steve Dior who played with Sid in the ad hoc band The Idols which played the gigs at Max's.
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Oh yeah, low low low priority. NYC was becoming a state of nature as far those in charge thought, and some junkie is killed? Who cares? Her semi-famous boyfriend says he did it? Cool, let's close this fucker up.revbob wrote:The circumstances and people involved along with the tines ensured a proper investigation wasn't going to happen.
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Yes no doubt that happened. Dead junkie stabbed in bathroom and second junkie holding the knife, case closed.Dr. Medulla wrote:Oh yeah, low low low priority. NYC was becoming a state of nature as far those in charge thought, and some junkie is killed? Who cares? Her semi-famous boyfriend says he did it? Cool, let's close this fucker up.revbob wrote:The circumstances and people involved along with the tines ensured a proper investigation wasn't going to happen.
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I remember reading at the time that McLaren was alleged to have had the knife wiped clean.101Walterton wrote:Yes no doubt that happened. Dead junkie stabbed in bathroom and second junkie holding the knife, case closed.Dr. Medulla wrote:Oh yeah, low low low priority. NYC was becoming a state of nature as far those in charge thought, and some junkie is killed? Who cares? Her semi-famous boyfriend says he did it? Cool, let's close this fucker up.revbob wrote:The circumstances and people involved along with the tines ensured a proper investigation wasn't going to happen.
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I actually knew the lead detective on the case when I wrote for NYPD Blue. He was a real old school character and we got lots of incredible stories we used from him. He was involved in 70's-style corruption too, with Sonny the French Connection guy, though always proclaimed his innocence (he squeezed out of it even though he was taped on a wire on the Brooklyn Bridge). Our police advisor/producer (lead detective on the Son of Sam) always told us he was guilty. However, the idea that they didn't conduct a full investigation isn't true. They talked to everyone, Neon Leon and the like, and they thought Sid did it. The truth is that when it comes to murder the simplest answer is the correct one a vast majority of the time.