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Strummer's Hell's Ditch vocals beats MacGowan's, in my opinion. That's a moment where the 1991 loose, jamming version of the band really plays to their strengths. Joe is in neck deep in the material by this point in the set, he's got Clash confidence levels, compared to some shakier singing earlier on where he seemed to be dragged along, a little out of his element.

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I always thought Strummer was better at the Hell's Ditch stuff than Shane, just because he wasn't actively trying to die. He consistently killed Sunny Side.
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Marky Dread wrote:
Chuck Mangione wrote:
biopunk wrote:
Marky Dread wrote:
You're a hard man to please.

Big Country – The Crossing, Wonderland, Steeltown
Johnny Thunders – So Alone
Morrissey – Vauxhall and I, Southpaw Grammar, Maladjusted
Siouxsie and the Banshees – The Scream
Talking Heads – Naked
The La's – The La's
The Members – At the Chelsea Nightclub
The Psychedelic Furs – The Psychedelic Furs, Talk Talk Talk
U2 – Boy, October, War
Ultravox – Ultravox!, Ha!-Ha!-Ha!
XTC – Drums and Wires, Black Sea
Some pissed up Paddies - If I Should Fall From Grace with God, Peace and Love
Just in time for Christmas! From the soundboards, to the IMCT Boards, to your home computer:

It's the Steve Lilywhite Collection! The gift people will keep giving away!

All your favourite songs that Steve has sonically smudged, and have been labourously remastered and remixed, time and time again, because they were shit recordings to begin with!

Featuring:

Big Country - In a Big Recording Studio, Beast of Stephen, Blunderhand
Johnny Thunders - You Can't Put Your Arms Around A Mixing Board
Morrissey - Now My Threshold Is Full, The Boy Producer, Roy's Not So Keen
Siouxsie and the Banshees – Mental Postproduction (Mitigating)
Talking Heads – Deaf
The La's – Tuneless Melody
The Members – The Sound of the Subpar
The Psychedelic Furs – Imitation of Christ Knows What, Pretty Much In Pink Noise
U2 – A Song Without Me, I Threw a Brick Through a Mixing Booth Window, Two Beats Heard as One
Ultravox – Saturated Right and the Needle's in the Red, WRekROk
XTC – Making Plans for Vinyl, Speaker Towers of London
Some pissed up Paddies - Fairytale of Sound Work, Quite Shitty

Merry 80's Christmas! ;)
Ultravox Ha Ha Ha could make sense as is. He's sorta questioning their name and then laughing at them.
I can tell you've never heard that Ultravox! album. It's fucking brilliant and a lost classic. You must not confuse the John Foxx led Ultavox! with the exclamation mark with the later Midge Ure Ultravox. They are worlds apart.
Definitely. That exclamation point is crucial.
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Well I like Ultravox with Midge as well. We Stood Still!
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Kaleb wrote:I always thought Strummer was better at the Hell's Ditch stuff than Shane, just because he wasn't actively trying to die. He consistently killed Sunny Side.
"Singing's fucking stupid and completely, unsatisfyingly dissimilar to heroin." - What Shane seemed to be saying in his vocal performance on Hell's Ditch. Joe had no idea how to phrase Sayanora, though, that's a point to Shane.
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I love that version of Sayonara just because he overcompensates with raw Joe-ness. One of a few performers who get away with that in my book.
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Kaleb wrote:I love that version of Sayonara just because he overcompensates with raw Joe-ness. One of a few performers who get away with that in my book.
It shows how uncaringly botched the execution of the behind the scenes stuff was that Sayanora is mislabelled as Summer In Siam. I think the live album was Chevron's baby and when he passed, someone asked Andrew Ranken to stop in the office for twenty minutes to see if everything was okay and Ranken spent half that time enjoying a cup of coffee and drumming his fingers on the table.
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Kaleb wrote:I love that version of Sayonara just because he overcompensates with raw Joe-ness. One of a few performers who get away with that in my book.
Yep, love it too. I think his phrasing is deliberate, gives it his own stamp.
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Heston wrote:Well I like Ultravox with Midge as well. We Stood Still!
We were talking, passing strangers.
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Just listening to the Joe/Pogues show and I love that speedy version of Rain Street.
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I'll tell you one thing the band may have done wrong. They failed to adapt musically to Joe Strummer's voice at all, even a little bit. Throughout, the songs are banged through in their own universe, with no regard paid to their new singer's style. There's lovely interplay between the musicians, but it's as if Joe's been superimposed on the top of them. They developed this battle-hardened technique in the darkest days of Shane's tenure, training themselves to avert their eyes to the floor, play the songs, and if the vocalist is slurring out of time and forgetting words, well, what the fuck ever, we'll be out of here in ninety minutes.

It's probably a matter of lack of rehearsal too, I understand they pulled Joe in as a desperate last minute replacement and so he was forced to head a unit already on the march, with no opportunity to drop his own identity in there. It means that MacGowan's shadow is more present and noticable than it would have been if the potentially beautiful weird, possible meshing of Joe Strummer and the Pogues had organically met in some kind of middle ground. Joe has to perform in the hole where Shane would have been so mostly what we get is lack of Shane. I think this is one of the reasons why Hell's Ditch is my standout track of the release, the playing gives an organic opportunity for Strummer to show the sizable gifts that he could bring to the table. They sound like a band there.
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Silent Majority wrote:I'll tell you one thing the band may have done wrong. They failed to adapt musically to Joe Strummer's voice at all, even a little bit. Throughout, the songs are banged through in their own universe, with no regard paid to their new singer's style. There's lovely interplay between the musicians, but it's as if Joe's been superimposed on the top of them.
Y'know, this is just petty. They were kind of busy killing Joe as an artist, so complaining about the stylishness of the assassination is rather nitpicky.
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They're great together on the Clash material. And when a Pogue steps on to the mic, you can feel a little more relaxation, as in Terry Woods' brilliant version of Young Ned. Terry's the real star of this album, his playing is consistently interesting, by the way. The band are like someone who had a dickhead for a spouse and are consistently pleasantly surprised to discover their new partner doesn't care if they chat to an attractive member of the opposite sex. They just may have had more chemistry with the dickhead.
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I know it sounds like I don't love it, but all this conflicting, contradictory, overegged thinking is from a place of real pleasure. Huge thanks to Father Christmas for my album of 2013.
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