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Thanks for this. I kind of hate this song. Beside the insufferable Southpark noise, it sounds like Joe trying too hard to be the Clash again—or, maybe, Rancid. It comes across as inauthentic, which is so out of character. That said, I'd bet a demo version would be good.

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C1ashCityRockr wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 1:18pm
Thanks for this. I kind of hate this song. Beside the insufferable Southpark noise, it sounds like Joe trying too hard to be the Clash again—or, maybe, Rancid. It comes across as inauthentic, which is so out of character. That said, I'd bet a demo version would be good.
I always thought it sounded more like a 101ers throwback than The Clash. Sounds like Joe enjoying himself.

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101Walterton wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 1:53pm
C1ashCityRockr wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 1:18pm
Thanks for this. I kind of hate this song. Beside the insufferable Southpark noise, it sounds like Joe trying too hard to be the Clash again—or, maybe, Rancid. It comes across as inauthentic, which is so out of character. That said, I'd bet a demo version would be good.
I always thought it sounded more like a 101ers throwback than The Clash. Sounds like Joe enjoying himself.
Yeah, maybe I'm being too harsh. It's possible I'm just carrying around the Southpark baggage from the time. You're right, it does sound like he's enjoying himself.

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C1ashCityRockr wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 2:03pm
101Walterton wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 1:53pm
C1ashCityRockr wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 1:18pm
Thanks for this. I kind of hate this song. Beside the insufferable Southpark noise, it sounds like Joe trying too hard to be the Clash again—or, maybe, Rancid. It comes across as inauthentic, which is so out of character. That said, I'd bet a demo version would be good.
I always thought it sounded more like a 101ers throwback than The Clash. Sounds like Joe enjoying himself.
Yeah, maybe I'm being too harsh. It's possible I'm just carrying around the Southpark baggage from the time. You're right, it does sound like he's enjoying himself.
And I’ve never seen SouthPark so I just enjoy the song.
I should check to compare the timeline to when he did Return Of The Blues Cowboy.

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matedog wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 12:07pm
Heston wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 11:48am
Can someone point out the exact differences between the two versions please?
No Isaac Hayes backing vocals is the big one for me ("Chef" is his character if you aren't familiar with the show).
Where does he do the backing vocals? I always just thought it was just Joe backing himself on the original, and I can still hear someone on backing vocals on this new version.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board

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Heston wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 2:26pm
matedog wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 12:07pm
Heston wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 11:48am
Can someone point out the exact differences between the two versions please?
No Isaac Hayes backing vocals is the big one for me ("Chef" is his character if you aren't familiar with the show).
Where does he do the backing vocals? I always just thought it was just Joe backing himself on the original, and I can still hear someone on backing vocals on this new version.
Second chorus around 1:00. Kinda off kilter parallel vocal.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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101Walterton wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 2:08pm
C1ashCityRockr wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 2:03pm
101Walterton wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 1:53pm
C1ashCityRockr wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 1:18pm
Thanks for this. I kind of hate this song. Beside the insufferable Southpark noise, it sounds like Joe trying too hard to be the Clash again—or, maybe, Rancid. It comes across as inauthentic, which is so out of character. That said, I'd bet a demo version would be good.
I always thought it sounded more like a 101ers throwback than The Clash. Sounds like Joe enjoying himself.
Yeah, maybe I'm being too harsh. It's possible I'm just carrying around the Southpark baggage from the time. You're right, it does sound like he's enjoying himself.
And I’ve never seen SouthPark so I just enjoy the song.
I should check to compare the timeline to when he did Return Of The Blues Cowboy.
Same here, it's one of my favourite Joe solo songs. It's actually got a tune and some energy unlike a lot of his stuff which can be a bit short on melody, and more brooding than exciting.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board

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matedog wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 2:27pm
Heston wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 2:26pm
matedog wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 12:07pm
Heston wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 11:48am
Can someone point out the exact differences between the two versions please?
No Isaac Hayes backing vocals is the big one for me ("Chef" is his character if you aren't familiar with the show).
Where does he do the backing vocals? I always just thought it was just Joe backing himself on the original, and I can still hear someone on backing vocals on this new version.
Second chorus around 1:00. Kinda off kilter parallel vocal.
Gotcha now, cheers.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board

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Heston wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 2:33pm
matedog wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 2:27pm
Heston wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 2:26pm
matedog wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 12:07pm
Heston wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 11:48am
Can someone point out the exact differences between the two versions please?
No Isaac Hayes backing vocals is the big one for me ("Chef" is his character if you aren't familiar with the show).
Where does he do the backing vocals? I always just thought it was just Joe backing himself on the original, and I can still hear someone on backing vocals on this new version.
Second chorus around 1:00. Kinda off kilter parallel vocal.
Gotcha now, cheers.
Wasn't sure if you couldn't here Isaac Hayes the way Briggy can't hear Joe.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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matedog wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 3:13pm
Heston wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 2:33pm
matedog wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 2:27pm
Heston wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 2:26pm
matedog wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 12:07pm


No Isaac Hayes backing vocals is the big one for me ("Chef" is his character if you aren't familiar with the show).
Where does he do the backing vocals? I always just thought it was just Joe backing himself on the original, and I can still hear someone on backing vocals on this new version.
Second chorus around 1:00. Kinda off kilter parallel vocal.
Gotcha now, cheers.
Wasn't sure if you couldn't here Isaac Hayes the way Briggy can't hear Joe.
Clear as an (elevator) bell now.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board

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"Rockin World" minus Chef/Crowd Noise/Joe Strummer...

There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board

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Heston wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 3:14pm
matedog wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 3:13pm
Heston wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 2:33pm
matedog wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 2:27pm
Heston wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 2:26pm


Where does he do the backing vocals? I always just thought it was just Joe backing himself on the original, and I can still hear someone on backing vocals on this new version.
Second chorus around 1:00. Kinda off kilter parallel vocal.
Gotcha now, cheers.
Wasn't sure if you couldn't here Isaac Hayes the way Briggy can't hear Joe.
Clear as an (elevator) bell now.
I was surprised you could hear Joe in “U.S. North,” but not Chef/Isaac.

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BR16ADE_R055E wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 3:52pm
Heston wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 3:14pm
matedog wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 3:13pm
Heston wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 2:33pm
matedog wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 2:27pm


Second chorus around 1:00. Kinda off kilter parallel vocal.
Gotcha now, cheers.
Wasn't sure if you couldn't here Isaac Hayes the way Briggy can't hear Joe.
Clear as an (elevator) bell now.
I was surprised you could hear Joe in “U.S. North,” but not Chef/Isaac.
It just sounded like a bit of mumbling really, it never totally spoiled my enjoyment of the South Park version.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board

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101Walterton wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 2:08pm
C1ashCityRockr wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 2:03pm
101Walterton wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 1:53pm
C1ashCityRockr wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 1:18pm
Thanks for this. I kind of hate this song. Beside the insufferable Southpark noise, it sounds like Joe trying too hard to be the Clash again—or, maybe, Rancid. It comes across as inauthentic, which is so out of character. That said, I'd bet a demo version would be good.
I always thought it sounded more like a 101ers throwback than The Clash. Sounds like Joe enjoying himself.
Yeah, maybe I'm being too harsh. It's possible I'm just carrying around the Southpark baggage from the time. You're right, it does sound like he's enjoying himself.
And I’ve never seen SouthPark so I just enjoy the song.
I should check to compare the timeline to when he did Return Of The Blues Cowboy.
Return of the Blues Cowboy is easily my least favourite thing Strummer ever did.
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Heston wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 4:07pm
BR16ADE_R055E wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 3:52pm
Heston wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 3:14pm
matedog wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 3:13pm
Heston wrote:
10 Oct 2018, 2:33pm


Gotcha now, cheers.
Wasn't sure if you couldn't here Isaac Hayes the way Briggy can't hear Joe.
Clear as an (elevator) bell now.
I was surprised you could hear Joe in “U.S. North,” but not Chef/Isaac.
It just sounded like a bit of mumbling really, it never totally spoiled my enjoyment of the South Park version.
Yes, mumbling that sounds like Chef/Isaac.

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