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Wolter wrote:I just updated mine. Forgot how much I love "Nothin' Bout Nothin"
That could have been on mine, too. Really, that half side of Permanent Record ranks up there with post-Clash Joe's best. Confident and skilled the whole way.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
Wolter wrote:I just updated mine. Forgot how much I love "Nothin' Bout Nothin"
That could have been on mine, too. Really, that half side of Permanent Record ranks up there with post-Clash Joe's best. Confident and skilled the whole way.
Yeah. I think of it as essentially a perfect little late 80s ep. Joe's solo equivalent of The Cost Of Living.
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matedog wrote:
Wolter wrote:So, on Sunday I was listening to the CD mix of Wilderness Years songs I had in my car, and while that era was very disjointed and aimless, he really had a lot of solid material coming out in dribs and drabs. I wish he had a stronger willed collaborator willing to both encourage and push him in that period.
I enjoy it more than BAD.
This Is BAD beats anything from Joe's whole solo career for me. Rightfully the best selling post-Clash album.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board

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Heston wrote:
matedog wrote:
Wolter wrote:So, on Sunday I was listening to the CD mix of Wilderness Years songs I had in my car, and while that era was very disjointed and aimless, he really had a lot of solid material coming out in dribs and drabs. I wish he had a stronger willed collaborator willing to both encourage and push him in that period.
I enjoy it more than BAD.
This Is BAD beats anything from Joe's whole solo career for me. Rightfully the best selling post-Clash album.
This is BAD is a great album, but it is dated as fuck, and does not hold up well outside of the tiny niche that is Clash-diaspora fandom.
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Heston wrote:
matedog wrote:
Wolter wrote:So, on Sunday I was listening to the CD mix of Wilderness Years songs I had in my car, and while that era was very disjointed and aimless, he really had a lot of solid material coming out in dribs and drabs. I wish he had a stronger willed collaborator willing to both encourage and push him in that period.
I enjoy it more than BAD.
This Is BAD beats anything from Joe's whole solo career for me. Rightfully the best selling post-Clash album.
For my money, both TIBad and No 10 are better than any single Joe album. But Joe also had a magnetism in persona and delivery that allowed him to maximize performances that Mick didn't.
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eumaas wrote:I'm with Wolter on IH and MB.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
Heston wrote:
matedog wrote:
Wolter wrote:So, on Sunday I was listening to the CD mix of Wilderness Years songs I had in my car, and while that era was very disjointed and aimless, he really had a lot of solid material coming out in dribs and drabs. I wish he had a stronger willed collaborator willing to both encourage and push him in that period.
I enjoy it more than BAD.
This Is BAD beats anything from Joe's whole solo career for me. Rightfully the best selling post-Clash album.
For my money, both TIBad and No 10 are better than any single Joe album. But Joe also had a magnetism in persona and delivery that allowed him to maximize performances that Mick didn't.
Definitely agree with this. Joe didn't have the focus to make an entire album of well-arranged songs on his own, and Mick didn't have the vocalist charisma to carry an entire album on his own (but outside of Joe, never had a collaborator that picked up the slack).
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Wolter wrote:
Heston wrote:
matedog wrote:
Wolter wrote:So, on Sunday I was listening to the CD mix of Wilderness Years songs I had in my car, and while that era was very disjointed and aimless, he really had a lot of solid material coming out in dribs and drabs. I wish he had a stronger willed collaborator willing to both encourage and push him in that period.
I enjoy it more than BAD.
This Is BAD beats anything from Joe's whole solo career for me. Rightfully the best selling post-Clash album.
This is BAD is a great album, but it is dated as fuck, and does not hold up well outside of the tiny niche that is Clash-diaspora fandom.
Fair enough, but the songs themselves are streets ahead of Joe's.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board

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Heston wrote:
Wolter wrote:
Heston wrote:
matedog wrote:
Wolter wrote:So, on Sunday I was listening to the CD mix of Wilderness Years songs I had in my car, and while that era was very disjointed and aimless, he really had a lot of solid material coming out in dribs and drabs. I wish he had a stronger willed collaborator willing to both encourage and push him in that period.
I enjoy it more than BAD.
This Is BAD beats anything from Joe's whole solo career for me. Rightfully the best selling post-Clash album.
This is BAD is a great album, but it is dated as fuck, and does not hold up well outside of the tiny niche that is Clash-diaspora fandom.
Fair enough, but the songs themselves are streets ahead of Joe's.
I'd agree on everything except Global a-Go-Go (though even that has a few mediocre ones near the end).
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Wolter wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
Heston wrote:
matedog wrote:
Wolter wrote:So, on Sunday I was listening to the CD mix of Wilderness Years songs I had in my car, and while that era was very disjointed and aimless, he really had a lot of solid material coming out in dribs and drabs. I wish he had a stronger willed collaborator willing to both encourage and push him in that period.
I enjoy it more than BAD.
This Is BAD beats anything from Joe's whole solo career for me. Rightfully the best selling post-Clash album.
For my money, both TIBad and No 10 are better than any single Joe album. But Joe also had a magnetism in persona and delivery that allowed him to maximize performances that Mick didn't.
Definitely agree with this. Joe didn't have the focus to make an entire album of well-arranged songs on his own, and Mick didn't have the vocalist charisma to carry an entire album on his own (but outside of Joe, never had a collaborator that picked up the slack).
It may sound as a backhanded compliment but isn't meant as such, but Mick's post-Clash success is all the more impressive because he really doesn't have that leading man quality. It's a bit easy to pick on Mick because of that, especially because he was initially living up to the Clash, meaning being compared to Joe, which is an unfair fight.
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Mick is definitely no Joe in the frontman stakes but I witnessed some great performances back in the Eighties. He was undoubtedly coked-up, but I appreciated that wired vibe he had, it suited the music.
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I actually think it's no slam at all. Mick has cobbled together a fairly good stretch as a frontman without it being a natural gift of his. Joe ran away from his natural charisma for a long time in the Wilderness years, and definitely accomplished far less during the period.
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Global is far and away the best post Clash album.

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101Walterton wrote:Global is far and away the best post Clash album.
We don't always agree, but when you're right, you're right.
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