This is separate from what I'm arguing, tho. I'm not talking about whether she is healthy enough or at greater risk of dying in office (well, I suppose to the latter, actuarial tables would say yes, but whatever). I'm only speaking to whether the electorate will think her age is an issue, and I don't think it will be for the reasons I stated.Rat Patrol wrote:Reagan was old in body and mind, though. In the same way McCain was (for very different reasons). It's just a different set of healthcare and "healthy habits" that generation came up in. Hillary didn't smoke for 30+ years and hone a fondness for scotch like every male who ran for the Preznitzee from Washington to Bush 41 did, and she spent her 20's and 30's after lead paint, asbestos, and discharging industrial waste into the river were categorically proven toxic and necessary of prevention, and ate oat bran and no doubt got warnings to watch her cholesterol and get enough calcium to prevent osteoperosis. Not to mention the multi-billions obsessive middle-class Boomers started spending ever since they turned 40 on rolling back the ravages of age and making there they have the best poop medication money can buy. It's not even remotely comparable how many miles were on the average odometer at 70 her generation vs. every previous generation. If it weren't for the sexist angle there'd probably be zero talk about age. I mean, Romney's 6 months older than her and nobody said boo about him being a month-plus away from 74 by the end of his second term (granted that would make him about 55 in "Mormon years").Dr. Medulla wrote:From a more cultural standpoint, age probably won't be a huge factor because Boomers as a generation have always defined themselves, and been defined, by their youthful energy (or at least we're talking perceptions). They were in a hurry to become political and cultural trendsetters and have always carried the reputation of being active. The notion of a Boomer being limited, especially by vitality runs counter to their narrative, and given the number of Boomers who dominate the media still, I doubt it's in their blood to make it an issue. The other thing is what James mentioned—Reagan. Just like JFK broke the taboo against Catholics, I think Reagan broke the taboo about being too old for the presidency (even tho the job is almost certainly more stressful and demanding with each successive administration). I'm not saying her age shouldn't give people pause—it and a zillion other factors should—but it likely won't.
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Finally, a chance for an old white person to run the country. Their time is now!
The idea of a Clinton or Bush running this country again makes me want to vomit.
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Cletus Ginger Kennedy III only has 2 years to go till he's age-eligible...and he hasn't even been arrested for doing something pantsless while drunk behind the wheel yet!Flex wrote:Finally, a chance for an old white person to run the country. Their time is now!
The idea of a Clinton or Bush running this country again makes me want to vomit.
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You are going to be so thin by Election Day, mmm mmmm!Flex wrote:Finally, a chance for an old white person to run the country. Their time is now!
The idea of a Clinton or Bush running this country again makes me want to vomit.
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Actually, it's true that the few family members I have over seventy are a lot more hard living than the average rich WASP and probably feel their age more.Rat Patrol wrote:Reagan was old in body and mind, though. In the same way McCain was (for very different reasons). It's just a different set of healthcare and "healthy habits" that generation came up in. Hillary didn't smoke for 30+ years and hone a fondness for scotch like every male who ran for the Preznitzee from Washington to Bush 41 did, and she spent her 20's and 30's after lead paint, asbestos, and discharging industrial waste into the river were categorically proven toxic and necessary of prevention, and ate oat bran and no doubt got warnings to watch her cholesterol and get enough calcium to prevent osteoperosis. Not to mention the multi-billions obsessive middle-class Boomers started spending ever since they turned 40 on rolling back the ravages of age and making there they have the best poop medication money can buy. It's not even remotely comparable how many miles were on the average odometer at 70 her generation vs. every previous generation. If it weren't for the sexist angle there'd probably be zero talk about age. I mean, Romney's 6 months older than her and nobody said boo about him being a month-plus away from 74 by the end of his second term (granted that would make him about 55 in "Mormon years").Dr. Medulla wrote:From a more cultural standpoint, age probably won't be a huge factor because Boomers as a generation have always defined themselves, and been defined, by their youthful energy (or at least we're talking perceptions). They were in a hurry to become political and cultural trendsetters and have always carried the reputation of being active. The notion of a Boomer being limited, especially by vitality runs counter to their narrative, and given the number of Boomers who dominate the media still, I doubt it's in their blood to make it an issue. The other thing is what James mentioned—Reagan. Just like JFK broke the taboo against Catholics, I think Reagan broke the taboo about being too old for the presidency (even tho the job is almost certainly more stressful and demanding with each successive administration). I'm not saying her age shouldn't give people pause—it and a zillion other factors should—but it likely won't.
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I don't know about that. Most of the rich WASPs I know drink a loooooooooot more than just about anyone else I know.Silent Majority wrote:Actually, it's true that the few family members I have over seventy are a lot more hard living than the average rich WASP and probably feel their age more.Rat Patrol wrote:Reagan was old in body and mind, though. In the same way McCain was (for very different reasons). It's just a different set of healthcare and "healthy habits" that generation came up in. Hillary didn't smoke for 30+ years and hone a fondness for scotch like every male who ran for the Preznitzee from Washington to Bush 41 did, and she spent her 20's and 30's after lead paint, asbestos, and discharging industrial waste into the river were categorically proven toxic and necessary of prevention, and ate oat bran and no doubt got warnings to watch her cholesterol and get enough calcium to prevent osteoperosis. Not to mention the multi-billions obsessive middle-class Boomers started spending ever since they turned 40 on rolling back the ravages of age and making there they have the best poop medication money can buy. It's not even remotely comparable how many miles were on the average odometer at 70 her generation vs. every previous generation. If it weren't for the sexist angle there'd probably be zero talk about age. I mean, Romney's 6 months older than her and nobody said boo about him being a month-plus away from 74 by the end of his second term (granted that would make him about 55 in "Mormon years").Dr. Medulla wrote:From a more cultural standpoint, age probably won't be a huge factor because Boomers as a generation have always defined themselves, and been defined, by their youthful energy (or at least we're talking perceptions). They were in a hurry to become political and cultural trendsetters and have always carried the reputation of being active. The notion of a Boomer being limited, especially by vitality runs counter to their narrative, and given the number of Boomers who dominate the media still, I doubt it's in their blood to make it an issue. The other thing is what James mentioned—Reagan. Just like JFK broke the taboo against Catholics, I think Reagan broke the taboo about being too old for the presidency (even tho the job is almost certainly more stressful and demanding with each successive administration). I'm not saying her age shouldn't give people pause—it and a zillion other factors should—but it likely won't.
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One of the things that suburbia offered in the postwar years was the option to hide your vices. Poor people got drunk on stoops on the street. When they had screaming matches, all the neighbours could hear it. Owning your own home, with a yard as a buffer, meant you were insulated from your neighbours. You could be a drunk in your home or in the backyard. That's what being middle class meant—the ability to hide your vices.Wolter wrote:I don't know about that. Most of the rich WASPs I know drink a loooooooooot more than just about anyone else I know.Silent Majority wrote:Actually, it's true that the few family members I have over seventy are a lot more hard living than the average rich WASP and probably feel their age more.
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WASPs get drunk alone...in the living room, with the TV on, on bourbon not beer. Or wine if it's the stay-at-home wife. The only ones who bear witness to the vice are each other and each other's psychological scars. But yes...this was (and sorta is if you're from older money) an expected vice of the upper crust and Ivy Leaguers. Which is why all pre-Clinton, non-Carter Preznits came in with a lot of miles on their internal organs and artfully concealed strain within their immediate families.Dr. Medulla wrote:One of the things that suburbia offered in the postwar years was the option to hide your vices. Poor people got drunk on stoops on the street. When they had screaming matches, all the neighbours could hear it. Owning your own home, with a yard as a buffer, meant you were insulated from your neighbours. You could be a drunk in your home or in the backyard. That's what being middle class meant—the ability to hide your vices.Wolter wrote:I don't know about that. Most of the rich WASPs I know drink a loooooooooot more than just about anyone else I know.Silent Majority wrote:Actually, it's true that the few family members I have over seventy are a lot more hard living than the average rich WASP and probably feel their age more.
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Still hope she runs. Like it or not, a woman would be pretty cool to have for a president. Cool as fuck, even.
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I'd really, really enjoy it from a historical, women's lib perspective. Though, if the last eight years have taught us anything, we'll see women getting more oppressed than anytime since the 1960s and (somehow) much more visible, virulent sexism.Chuck Mangione wrote:Still hope she runs. Like it or not, a woman would be pretty cool to have for a president. Cool as fuck, even.
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Goddamnit, Chuck.
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Rat Patrol wrote:Goddamnit, Chuck.
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This surpasses anything Hoyston have ever put forth for pure awfulness.Chuck Mangione wrote:Still hope she runs. Like it or not, a woman would be pretty cool to have for a president. Cool as fuck, even.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:This surpasses anything Hoyston have ever put forth for pure awfulness.Chuck Mangione wrote:Still hope she runs. Like it or not, a woman would be pretty cool to have for a president. Cool as fuck, even.
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I sympathize with ya, Chuck. I get the historical piece, for sure. It's just hard to overcome the overall disgust with the neo-liberal warhawk program. And the dynasty aspect.
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