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Re: Scottish independence?

Post by Wolter » 16 Sep 2014, 5:00pm

101Walterton wrote:
Wolter wrote:
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Heston wrote:Our hypothetical new flag with Scottish colours removed and Wales' added, I like it...

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Pshaw ... Don't you know that Wales is next jumping off your sinking ship? :mrgreen:
Soon enough it will just be Ulster and England sitting in a tree...
Yes they will never get rid of Ulster unfortunately.
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Re: Scottish independence?

Post by 101Walterton » 16 Sep 2014, 5:51pm

Wolter wrote:
101Walterton wrote:
Wolter wrote:
Spiff wrote:
Heston wrote:Our hypothetical new flag with Scottish colours removed and Wales' added, I like it...

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Pshaw ... Don't you know that Wales is next jumping off your sinking ship? :mrgreen:
Soon enough it will just be Ulster and England sitting in a tree...
Yes they will never get rid of Ulster unfortunately.
Hey, y'all wanted an empire. You break it, you buy it.
No we didn't want the Empire we wanted to steal other peoples stuff, the Empire was the Trojan Horse.

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Re: Scottish independence?

Post by Wolter » 16 Sep 2014, 6:20pm

101Walterton wrote:
Wolter wrote:
101Walterton wrote:
Wolter wrote:
Spiff wrote: Pshaw ... Don't you know that Wales is next jumping off your sinking ship? :mrgreen:
Soon enough it will just be Ulster and England sitting in a tree...
Yes they will never get rid of Ulster unfortunately.
Hey, y'all wanted an empire. You break it, you buy it.
No we didn't want the Empire we wanted to steal other peoples stuff, the Empire was the Trojan Horse.
Honestly, what would Ireland have to steal? Potatoes? Bogs? Railroad worke...oh, I get it now...
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Re: Scottish independence?

Post by Dr. Medulla » 17 Sep 2014, 11:21am

David Cameron To Scottish People: ‘I’ll Kill Myself If You Leave’
LONDON—In an emotional public address this morning ahead of Thursday’s national referendum in Scotland, U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron pleaded with the Scottish people to stay and vowed that he would take his own life if the territory votes in favor of independence. “Scotland, the second you leave I will kill myself—I swear I’ll do it,” said a visibly disheveled Cameron, who spoke with a shaking voice and appeared at several points during the speech as if he was on the verge of breaking down in tears. “How can I go on living if you’re gone? If you vote yes to independence, that’s it—you can say goodbye to me right now, because I’ll be dead the next time you see me. Just look at what you’re doing to me!” At press time, Cameron was seen sobbing softly and climbing up the stairs to the top of Parliament’s Elizabeth Tower.
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Re: Scottish independence?

Post by 101Walterton » 17 Sep 2014, 2:57pm

My brother has just moved back to England after living in Sweden for 10 years. He told me that if you are Scots and live in England you do not get a vote however if you are one of the thousands of EU students at university in Scotland enjoying the no fees ( like all of my neice's friends from Sweden) you do get a vote even though you are only there temporarily. Guess which way they will all vote?

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Re: Scottish independence?

Post by Dr. Medulla » 17 Sep 2014, 3:34pm

101Walterton wrote:My brother has just moved back to England after living in Sweden for 10 years. He told me that if you are Scots and live in England you do not get a vote however if you are one of the thousands of EU students at university in Scotland enjoying the no fees ( like all of my neice's friends from Sweden) you do get a vote even though you are only there temporarily. Guess which way they will all vote?
Interesting. The recent provincial election in Quebec, which was seen as a possible prelude to another independence referendum if the separatists won a majority (they had a minority and ended up losing the election), was marked by the denial of the vote to significant chunks of Quebeckers. It was not enough to reside in Quebec, to pay taxes there, or even have a driver's license issued by Quebec—it had to do with whether in your heart you were a Quebecker. The cardiologists, in this case, were elections officials, who—ho ho—tended to tell anglophones that, thanks for your tax dollars or years of residency, you are not sufficiently in love with the province. There were examples of people denied the vote on their anglo-sounding name winning their appeal when they went in person and clearly spoke in French. Utterly disgraceful.
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Re: Scottish independence?

Post by Silent Majority » 17 Sep 2014, 7:01pm

I'm pulling hard for Scotland to leave tomorrow. Fingers crossed. Really excited for them.
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Re: Scottish independence?

Post by Rat Patrol » 17 Sep 2014, 7:25pm

At this point I'd be shocked if "Yes" didn't win. Cameron could not have bungled the messaging on this more badly if he tried, and too many Little Englander elitists couldn't keep their yaps shut and exposed too much of their assholish internal monologues for the world to see.

It's why I'm half-convinced they wanted Scotland to bug off all along. The PR from the "stay" side has been so tone-deaf it almost seems designed to drive away Scotland. I'll still side with stupid over evil, because the way they've handled it is much more consistent with base stupidity than playing any sort of game of eight-dimensional chess to achieve a desired result. I don't envy Scotland's choice, but if I had any pride in where I lived I was from I don't think I would be at all undecided in the same situation despite deep reservations. There's no "United" Kingdom to preserve when the power center in the Kingdom has been that flippant about showing its unity to anything but themselves...England, London, party-over-country, any way you want to define the "themselves" as it relates to the ruling elite. A whole lot of the fear of the unknown re: "yes" has been removed by English boors acting like English boors.
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Re: Scottish independence?

Post by Silent Majority » 17 Sep 2014, 7:33pm

Rat Patrol wrote:At this point I'd be shocked if "Yes" didn't win. Cameron could not have bungled the messaging on this more badly if he tried, and too many Little Englander elitists couldn't keep their yaps shut and exposed too much of their assholish internal monologues for the world to see.

It's why I'm half-convinced they wanted Scotland to bug off all along. The PR from the "stay" side has been so tone-deaf it almost seems designed to drive away Scotland. I'll still side with stupid over evil, because the way they've handled it is much more consistent with base stupidity than playing any sort of game of eight-dimensional chess to achieve a desired result. I don't envy Scotland's choice, but if I had any pride in where I lived I was from I don't think I would be at all undecided in the same situation despite deep reservations. There's no "United" Kingdom to preserve when the power center in the Kingdom has been that flippant about showing its unity to anything but themselves...England, London, party-over-country, any way you want to define the "themselves" as it relates to the ruling elite. A whole lot of the fear of the unknown re: "yes" has been removed by English boors acting like English boors.
I find I'm always surprised to learn that there's a good 28% more Tory arseholes in a place than I expected. Nothing can be taken for granted.
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Re: Scottish independence?

Post by Dr. Medulla » 17 Sep 2014, 7:44pm

The other decent outcome of a Yes win is that the knives would be out for Cameron from within. I've always liked that British parties are willing to shiv their leaders. Party leaders in Canada have so much power that it's all but impossible to happen here.
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Re: Scottish independence?

Post by Silent Majority » 17 Sep 2014, 7:47pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:The other decent outcome of a Yes win is that the knives would be out for Cameron from within. I've always liked that British parties are willing to shiv their leaders. Party leaders in Canada have so much power that it's all but impossible to happen here.
I can't stand Cameron or his odious politics, but I shudder to think what kind of old school Eton fascist is going to shoot him in the back and take his place.
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Re: Scottish independence?

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Silent Majority wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:The other decent outcome of a Yes win is that the knives would be out for Cameron from within. I've always liked that British parties are willing to shiv their leaders. Party leaders in Canada have so much power that it's all but impossible to happen here.
I can't stand Cameron or his odious politics, but I shudder to think what kind of old school Eton fascist is going to shoot him in the back and take his place.
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Re: Scottish independence?

Post by 101Walterton » 17 Sep 2014, 8:38pm

All jokes aside I now hope the yes wins if only because of the divide that all this has caused. If they were to lose how long before we have another Northern Ireland.

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Re: Scottish independence?

Post by Flex » 17 Sep 2014, 10:07pm

A yes win would be a pretty hilariously historic fuckup from the no campaign.

Addendum: Which seems an increasingly likely outcome at this point, but my god, the sheer breathtaking incompetence is magnificent to behold.
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Re: Scottish independence?

Post by biopunk » 17 Sep 2014, 11:45pm

101Walterton wrote:All jokes aside I now hope the yes wins if only because of the divide that all this has caused. If they were to lose how long before we have another Northern Ireland.
Uh, I think you need to consider that a close vote only increases bad feelings all around, so a better question is: which areas are pro-Unionist/sectarian feelings going to kick off and what will be done to decrease that?
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