If Music Could Talk

Bankrobber wrote:I was kind of hoping that this would hurt Governor Fallin in her coming election this year, considering the Jacksonian attack on the state supreme court by her and the legislature. However most here seem to think the executed should have suffered more. I guess I shouldn't be surprised after the past year. Fallin refused to even consider putting storm shelters in schools after the Moore tornado, her hipster about-town daughter for a laugh posed in a native headdress, and a law she supported was passed last month that disallowed giving paid sick leave and raising the minimum wage. After all that she is still above 65% approval. She's made of Teflon. As long as the politician has an R they are untouchable here. Hell she got elected to multiple state and national offices after being caught cheating on her husband in a car at Lake Hefner by a police officer in the early 90s. That doesn't matter to me but after the late 90s it supposedly mattered for the electorate here when applied to dems.

Rat Patrol wrote:

Bankrobber wrote:I was kind of hoping that this would hurt Governor Fallin in her coming election this year, considering the Jacksonian attack on the state supreme court by her and the legislature. However most here seem to think the executed should have suffered more. I guess I shouldn't be surprised after the past year. Fallin refused to even consider putting storm shelters in schools after the Moore tornado, her hipster about-town daughter for a laugh posed in a native headdress, and a law she supported was passed last month that disallowed giving paid sick leave and raising the minimum wage. After all that she is still above 65% approval. She's made of Teflon. As long as the politician has an R they are untouchable here. Hell she got elected to multiple state and national offices after being caught cheating on her husband in a car at Lake Hefner by a police officer in the early 90s. That doesn't matter to me but after the late 90s it supposedly mattered for the electorate here when applied to dems.

And even if they get slapped with a court order (assuming Fallin obeys it), OK's the only state in the union that has its death penalty double booby-trapped. If lethal injection ever becomes unconstitutional or legally impermissible, they automatically revert back to the electric chair by state law. If BOTH lethal injection and the electric chair are verboten, they automatically revert back to firing squad by state law.

Bankrobber wrote:I was kind of hoping that this would hurt Governor Fallin in her coming election this year, considering the Jacksonian attack on the state supreme court by her and the legislature. However most here seem to think the executed should have suffered more. I guess I shouldn't be surprised after the past year. Fallin refused to even consider putting storm shelters in schools after the Moore tornado, her hipster about-town daughter for a laugh posed in a native headdress, and a law she supported was passed last month that disallowed giving paid sick leave and raising the minimum wage. After all that she is still above 65% approval. She's made of Teflon. As long as the politician has an R they are untouchable here. Hell she got elected to multiple state and national offices after being caught cheating on her husband in a car at Lake Hefner by a police officer in the early 90s. That doesn't matter to me but after the late 90s it supposedly mattered for the electorate here when applied to dems.

JennyB wrote: Is OK a Right to Work state,too?

Rat Patrol wrote:

Purple Hayes wrote:I'm in no way a supporter of the death penalty and never will be but I always thought that if we HAD to have it why not hand the worst monsters over to government run and owned pharmaceutical companies to experiment on in the hope of finding cures for cancer/aids etc this would at least serve some kind of purpose, and save the lives of many furry little creatures...?

"Well, Mr Ripper that's your cancer now cured, now slide over here and lets see how you get on with Alzheimers..."

Well...ironically, they are required to provide free health care to all inmates on death row right up until the exact moment of execution. So that wouldn't fly, and would be unconstitutional. There IS a lot of Supreme Court-reaffirmed precedent that you can't force someone to take life-extending meds against their will, governed by the Cruel & Unusual Punishment clause. It covers damn near everything EXCEPT lethal injections and assisted suicide (still illegal most states and at the fed level).

In this Oklahoma case, the second the execution was declared botched and the curtains closed on the observers they had to begin CPR on the guy and make every effort to save his life. Try to rationalize that...the mental gymnastics at work is enough to blow a hamstring. Not that the penal system is all that humane at providing health care, but they are liable for damages for willfully withholding medical care. Ironically, the running board meme about the serial killer who shares my real name ( ) involved a case of politics over whether his execution could proceed over health issues. Because the wait on death row is frequently so damn long these guys are rarely in good health by the time their date with the needle gets announced. The cost alone for keeping 'em healthy enough for the state to kill 'em is batshit. Genuine small-gov't libertarians...you know, the unicorns that don't actually exist in real numbers, not the Randian Jesus types who call themselves libertarians...generally are against the death penalty because of the extreme cost and bureaucracy involved in maintaining such an artificial system.

Rat Patrol wrote:BTW...Ohio takes the prize for being such inept keystone cops at administering lethal injections that one of their inmates survived his own botched date with the needle and lived to tell about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romell_Broom

2 hours of jabbing the needle in him over and over and over again to find a suitable vein, and they had to issue a reprieve and send him to the hospital for--basically--treatment of a bunch of minor stab wounds. Contrary to popular opinion, it's an urban myth that you get a free ticket off death row if you survive your execution. He's still on death row with the state trying for nearly 5 years to get a do-over date. The case has been tied up in appeal over the first execution being cruel and unusual punishment because the untrained prison officials just kept on jabbing him long after anyone with Medical Training 101 would've declared it a futile effort.

You'd be amazed at how often lethal injections have complications because of collapsed veins. It's kind of a very sub-ideal method of execution when an outsized % of death row inmates are/were longtime junkies or in otherwise wretched health: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/some-ex ... executions

Dr. Medulla wrote:

Rat Patrol wrote:BTW...Ohio takes the prize for being such inept keystone cops at administering lethal injections that one of their inmates survived his own botched date with the needle and lived to tell about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romell_Broom

2 hours of jabbing the needle in him over and over and over again to find a suitable vein, and they had to issue a reprieve and send him to the hospital for--basically--treatment of a bunch of minor stab wounds. Contrary to popular opinion, it's an urban myth that you get a free ticket off death row if you survive your execution. He's still on death row with the state trying for nearly 5 years to get a do-over date. The case has been tied up in appeal over the first execution being cruel and unusual punishment because the untrained prison officials just kept on jabbing him long after anyone with Medical Training 101 would've declared it a futile effort.

You'd be amazed at how often lethal injections have complications because of collapsed veins. It's kind of a very sub-ideal method of execution when an outsized % of death row inmates are/were longtime junkies or in otherwise wretched health: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/some-ex ... executions

That has all the makings of the blackest of black comedy except, well, it happened.

Anesthesiologists blamed the problem on the inexperience of prison officials who were conducting the execution, saying that proper procedures taught in "IV 101" would have prevented the error.