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Re: 9-11

Post by Heston » 10 Sep 2010, 8:37pm

I'm sure the good Doc won't mind me quoting his wise words from earlier in the thread....
Apart from a willful ignorance about Islam—not all Muslims are the same, not all are fundamentalist, etc—the whole "war on terrorism" from the American perspective makes it sound as America was just minding its own business, maybe doing good deeds around the globe, and then got blindsided for no reason other than the attackers were lunatics. As if American foreign, trade, and energy policy hasn't destabilized and interfered with peoples throughout the world since World War II (it does, of course, go back farther than that, back to European colonization, but the American role is chiefly after 1945). How about the CIA overthrow of Mossadeq in '53, which was the first huge domino that led to the Iranian Revolution in '79? Or the tight but tense relationship with Saudi sheiks, eventually leading to the stationing of US troops in Saudi Arabia? Or luring the Soviets into Afghanistan, then funding and training some bat shit Sunnis (including a young zealot named bin Laden) to bog them down? Or arming a secular dictator in Iraq to encourage war with Iran, then turn around and smack the fuck out of him for stepping over the line? Or uncritically supporting Israel in any and all regional conflicts, often exasperating tensions? To name a few. None of this minimizes the devastation that occurred that day seven years, but to place it all on "radical Islam" without considering the larger narrative ensures more of the same. More black hats being worn in all this than white.
A nice riposte to the horrible propaganda just posted.
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Re: 9-11

Post by Dr. Medulla » 10 Sep 2010, 9:04pm

Apart from better proofing my text—some missing words, some clumsy sentences—not much I'd change of that. This has never been about Islam, radical or otherwise. It's about the oldest struggle in human history—leave me the fuck alone, quit interfering with my life. Fundamentalism is merely the latest organizing tool; previously it was Marxism and nationalism. But obsessing about the religious aspect distracts from the central issue—America's mucking about in other people's backyard, dictating terms, propping up regimes that marginalize populations. Quit pissing off those people and their support for radical organizations that feed off that frustrations will melt away.
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Re: 9-11

Post by Wolter » 10 Sep 2010, 11:06pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:Apart from better proofing my text—some missing words, some clumsy sentences—not much I'd change of that. This has never been about Islam, radical or otherwise. It's about the oldest struggle in human history—leave me the fuck alone, quit interfering with my life. Fundamentalism is merely the latest organizing tool; previously it was Marxism and nationalism. But obsessing about the religious aspect distracts from the central issue—America's mucking about in other people's backyard, dictating terms, propping up regimes that marginalize populations. Quit pissing off those people and their support for radical organizations that feed off that frustrations will melt away.

I don't have the stats to back this up, and I'm about to go to bed because I'm exhausted, but I've read in more than one place that the vast majority of suicide bombers are less religious and more political in their beliefs.
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Re: 9-11

Post by 101Walterton » 11 Sep 2010, 12:46am

Dr. Medulla wrote:Apart from better proofing my text—some missing words, some clumsy sentences—not much I'd change of that. This has never been about Islam, radical or otherwise. It's about the oldest struggle in human history—leave me the fuck alone, quit interfering with my life. Fundamentalism is merely the latest organizing tool; previously it was Marxism and nationalism. But obsessing about the religious aspect distracts from the central issue—America's mucking about in other people's backyard, dictating terms, propping up regimes that marginalize populations. Quit pissing off those people and their support for radical organizations that feed off that frustrations will melt away.
Fair comment.

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Re: 9-11

Post by Dr. Medulla » 01 Feb 2011, 11:41am

Yay, let's bump this classic thread!
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Re: 9-11

Post by matedog » 01 Feb 2011, 11:52am

Haha, god this was a great thread. It was starting to die down and then nsc started posting. Funny shit. I do miss those guys sometimes.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Re: 9-11

Post by Wolter » 01 Feb 2011, 12:17pm

matedog wrote:Haha, god this was a great thread. It was starting to die down and then nsc started posting. Funny shit. I do miss those guys sometimes.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
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Re: 9-11

Post by matedog » 01 Feb 2011, 12:24pm

Wolter wrote:
matedog wrote:Haha, god this was a great thread. It was starting to die down and then nsc started posting. Funny shit. I do miss those guys sometimes.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
It's like when Empire Records or Blues Brothers 2000 is on tv. Wow, what a shit show.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Re: 9-11

Post by Wolter » 01 Feb 2011, 12:27pm

matedog wrote:
Wolter wrote:
matedog wrote:Haha, god this was a great thread. It was starting to die down and then nsc started posting. Funny shit. I do miss those guys sometimes.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
It's like when Empire Records or Blues Brothers 2000 is on tv. Wow, what a shit show.
It's more like when the holocaust is happening in your backyard. And nsc is denying it.
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Re: 9-11

Post by JennyB » 01 Feb 2011, 3:26pm

Wolter wrote:
matedog wrote:
Wolter wrote:
matedog wrote:Haha, god this was a great thread. It was starting to die down and then nsc started posting. Funny shit. I do miss those guys sometimes.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
It's like when Empire Records or Blues Brothers 2000 is on tv. Wow, what a shit show.
It's more like when the holocaust is happening in your backyard. And nsc is denying it.
You don't get it.

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Re: 9-11

Post by Rat Patrol » 01 Feb 2011, 3:27pm

Wolter wrote:
matedog wrote:
Wolter wrote:
matedog wrote:Haha, god this was a great thread. It was starting to die down and then nsc started posting. Funny shit. I do miss those guys sometimes.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
It's like when Empire Records or Blues Brothers 2000 is on tv. Wow, what a shit show.
It's more like when the holocaust is happening in your backyard. And nsc is denying it.
Can't we just leave this thread in hibernation for another 7 months and 10 days before it wakes itself up with a throbbing slab of morning wood?
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Re: 9-11

Post by Wolter » 01 Feb 2011, 3:31pm

Rat Patrol wrote:
Wolter wrote:
matedog wrote:
Wolter wrote:
matedog wrote:Haha, god this was a great thread. It was starting to die down and then nsc started posting. Funny shit. I do miss those guys sometimes.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
It's like when Empire Records or Blues Brothers 2000 is on tv. Wow, what a shit show.
It's more like when the holocaust is happening in your backyard. And nsc is denying it.
Can't we just leave this thread in hibernation for another 7 months and 10 days before it wakes itself up with a throbbing slab of morning wood?
Can't we take this thread out in the woods and shoot it in the head?
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Re: 9-11

Post by Dr. Medulla » 01 Feb 2011, 3:56pm

Wolter wrote:
Rat Patrol wrote:
Wolter wrote:
matedog wrote:
Wolter wrote: What the fuck is wrong with you?
It's like when Empire Records or Blues Brothers 2000 is on tv. Wow, what a shit show.
It's more like when the holocaust is happening in your backyard. And nsc is denying it.
Can't we just leave this thread in hibernation for another 7 months and 10 days before it wakes itself up with a throbbing slab of morning wood?
Can't we take this thread out in the woods and shoot it in the head?
Better do it now before Obama takes all our guns away. (Just keeping up Steve's part of the conversation.)
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Re: 9-11

Post by Wolter » 03 Mar 2011, 5:53pm

SteveSatch wrote:Never forget. Never forgive. All I need to know about radical Islam I learned on 9-11.
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Fuck nativism. Fuck it hard.
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Re: 9-11

Post by Inder » 03 Mar 2011, 6:06pm

Wolter wrote:
SteveSatch wrote:Never forget. Never forgive. All I need to know about radical Islam I learned on 9-11.
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"It can't happen here."

Fuck nativism. Fuck it hard.
Wow. That is profoundly enraging.

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