Let's All Call Edward Snowden A Hero Thread

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Re: Let's All Call Edward Snowden A Hero Thread

Post by darter » 01 Jan 2014, 10:34pm

He's in the same league as Lee Harvey Oswald. Small man, big impact, somebody dies. Then comes Ruby.

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Re: Let's All Call Edward Snowden A Hero Thread

Post by Chuck Mangione » 01 Jan 2014, 10:37pm

He's no Che Guevara. Give him a gun and someone to shoot and then maybe he'll be a hero.

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Re: Let's All Call Edward Snowden A Hero Thread

Post by Wolter » 01 Jan 2014, 11:20pm

Chuck Mangione wrote:He's no Che Guevara. Give him a gun and someone to shoot and then maybe he'll be a hero.
Fuck Che Guevara a thousand times.
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Re: Let's All Call Edward Snowden A Hero Thread

Post by Wolter » 01 Jan 2014, 11:21pm

darter wrote:He's in the same league as Lee Harvey Oswald. Small man, big impact, somebody dies. Then comes Ruby.
Just out of curiosity, who has died?
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Re: Let's All Call Edward Snowden A Hero Thread

Post by Rat Patrol » 02 Jan 2014, 12:11am

Wolter wrote:
darter wrote:He's in the same league as Lee Harvey Oswald. Small man, big impact, somebody dies. Then comes Ruby.
Just out of curiosity, who has died?
That's it...IMCT knows too much. We have to burn Inder's house down with him and his server in it before the dubplates fall into the CIA's hands.
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Post by Dr. Medulla » 02 Jan 2014, 7:48am

Wolter wrote:
darter wrote:He's in the same league as Lee Harvey Oswald. Small man, big impact, somebody dies. Then comes Ruby.
Just out of curiosity, who has died?
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Post by Dr. Medulla » 24 Jan 2014, 9:09am

But where do the reverse vampires fit in? Are they surrogates for the Rosicrucians or a false flag for the Fifth (that's right, Fifth) Reich established ten miles below Paraguay?
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Re: Let's All Call Edward Snowden A Hero Thread

Post by darter » 02 Feb 2014, 4:10am

Just out of curiosity, who has died?
I was referring to the future consequences of wrecking the so-called metadata program, consequences that will be attributed (perhaps rightly) to Mr. Snowden.

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Re: Let's All Call Edward Snowden A Hero Thread

Post by Dr. Medulla » 02 Feb 2014, 9:07am

darter wrote:
Just out of curiosity, who has died?
I was referring to the future consequences of wrecking the so-called metadata program, consequences that will be attributed (perhaps rightly) to Mr. Snowden.
But what if the consequences of his whistle-blowing means the next Hitler isn't born? That's why these kinds of speculations are pointless.
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Re: Let's All Call Edward Snowden A Hero Thread

Post by Wolter » 02 Feb 2014, 9:35am

darter wrote:
Just out of curiosity, who has died?
I was referring to the future consequences of wrecking the so-called metadata program, consequences that will be attributed (perhaps rightly) to Mr. Snowden.
Your argument is absurd. You have no way of knowing what the future consequences are.
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Re: Let's All Call Edward Snowden A Hero Thread

Post by tepista » 02 Feb 2014, 12:18pm

Wolter wrote:
darter wrote:
Just out of curiosity, who has died?
I was referring to the future consequences of wrecking the so-called metadata program, consequences that will be attributed (perhaps rightly) to Mr. Snowden.
Your argument is absurd. You have no way of knowing what the future consequences are.
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Re: Let's All Call Edward Snowden A Hero Thread

Post by darter » 08 Feb 2014, 4:59am

Your argument is absurd. You have no way of knowing what the future consequences are.
Just to make sure:

We are talking about the program that permits the NSA to learn when a phone call is made from a bomb-maker in Pakistan to a kid in Dayton, Ohio, right? And then the numbers that the kid calls are also recorded. And their calls. Not the conversations, the numbers. Three 'hops' have been recorded - but this will soon drop to two hops.

Anyway, if we are talking about the same survellance program, I believe the idea is that we are not required to know with certaintly that the data will lead to the kid and his possible confederates. It just increases our odds of locating the kid before he sets off a pressure cooker bomb. And, as a bonus, the bomb-maker gets martyrized by some guy in an Air Force trailer, so everybody wins!

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Re: Let's All Call Edward Snowden A Hero Thread

Post by Wolter » 08 Feb 2014, 9:10am

darter wrote:
Your argument is absurd. You have no way of knowing what the future consequences are.
Just to make sure:

We are talking about the program that permits the NSA to learn when a phone call is made from a bomb-maker in Pakistan to a kid in Dayton, Ohio, right? And then the numbers that the kid calls are also recorded. And their calls. Not the conversations, the numbers. Three 'hops' have been recorded - but this will soon drop to two hops.

Anyway, if we are talking about the same survellance program, I believe the idea is that we are not required to know with certaintly that the data will lead to the kid and his possible confederates. It just increases our odds of locating the kid before he sets off a pressure cooker bomb. And, as a bonus, the bomb-maker gets martyrized by some guy in an Air Force trailer, so everybody wins!
We're also talking about the massive abuses occurring in the program, the incredible waste of the program, the inefficiencies and the lack of efficacy of the program. We're talking about the fact that that line of reasoning has been disputed countless times and that there is no proof, or indeed even likelihood that such a scenario will be the result of any leak of this sort. We can also talk about the fact most terrorist organizations and individuals already assumed the US was Satan, and that the real consequences of these leaks is that the US citizenry and other world governments are learning about things that the US fucking lied about baldfaced, in a blatant violation of both its own laws and any sense of international community. We can go on to talk about the fact that these sorts if behaviors by governments will never, ever stop unless there's enough blowback to make the operations a PR black eye. And I suppose then we can move on to talking about the fact that blaming a whistleblower for revealing massive illegal operations instead of the ones doing the massively illegal operations is a form of sickening moral decay.
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