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Dr. Medulla wrote:... they say that the liberal beast that is Washington is really really really really really really very very very strong, and it seduces conservative warriors and causes them to betray the cause.
Pure fantasy...

But apparently believed by the RNC delegates and speakers, who are trying to sell McCain as an "outsider" candidate. :rolleyes:

P.S. What I found fascinating (and gratifying) about Obama's DNC speech is that the last half was heavily dosed with class warfare language. But he wrapped the "Eat the rich" rhetoric in very uplifting, relatively unthreatening phrasing, which I thought was masterful.
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Spiff wrote:But apparently believed by the RNC delegates and speakers, who are trying to sell McCain as an "outsider" candidate. :rolleyes:
The current spin on Palin—that she's so dizzyingly qualified to be president because she was mayor of a small town and governor of a small (population) state for twenty months—makes it seem that she's more qualified than a good 90% of those in Congress right now. Indeed, based on that criteria, Rudy, Romneybot, and Huckleberry were all better suited than McCain if "executive" experience" is so crucial. Wow, the GOP really fucked up picking McCain …
P.S. What I found fascinating (and gratifying) about Obama's DNC speech is that the last half was heavily dosed with class warfare language. But he wrapped the "Eat the rich" rhetoric in very uplifting, relatively unthreatening phrasing, which I thought was masterful.
Interesting. I might have to rewatch his speech because I didn't pick up on that.
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I, of course, was offended about her implication regarding pit bulls.
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JennyB wrote:I, of course, was offended about her implication regarding pit bulls.
I was offended by the crowd laughing about that old, tired, and certainly lame joke. :rolleyes:
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Spiff wrote:
JennyB wrote:I, of course, was offended about her implication regarding pit bulls.
I was offended by the crowd laughing about that old, tired, and certainly lame joke. :rolleyes:
Hey, cut them some slack! They needed to be able to laugh after being constantly assaulted on the streets of St. Paul by leftist, blame-America-first, Islamic homosexual liberals who hate America. Why can't you let them laugh!?
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I'd agree with Spiff on Obama's subtle but actually existing class conscious language. He's one of the few candidates I can think of to bluntly and directly point out that there's a rich minority, most of us ain't them, and they need to be fought. Most candidates do their best to make you think you're part of that minority, and the us versus them talk is, like, special interest lobbyists and stuff ruining everything.

He uses some of the same rhetoric in some of his ads, when I first saw one I was actually stunned that he was implying to voters that they weren't the "haves"* of the country. It's, you know, totally true and obvious - but you don't usually see a candidate actually pointing it out.


*as in haves vs. have nots.

Addendum: And Palin? I liked Keith Olbermann's quote "if you like that sort of thing, it's the sort of thing you'll like." So much for the pledges by republicans to take the high road during the convention.
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Flex wrote:I'd agree with Spiff on Obama's subtle but actually existing class conscious language. He's one of the few candidates I can think of to bluntly and directly point out that there's a rich minority, most of us ain't them, and they need to be fought. Most candidates do their best to make you think you're part of that minority, and the us versus them talk is, like, special interest lobbyists and stuff ruining everything.
I've mentioned this book to eumaas, but I highly recommend you read The Last Campaign (author's name eludes me) that came out this spring. It's about Robert Kennedy's '68 campaign. The good stuff about Obama you'll see in Kennedy's campaign (and vice versa, I guess). (It's also a cockpunch of a book as you follow him on the campaign trail knowing that he's a dead man. RFK's '68 campaign is pretty much a perfect encapsulation of both my idealism for working for a common good, that selflessness in our private lives is a virtue, but also my cynicism that genuinely decent people never cross the finish line.) I'm hoping that Obama is more like the Bobby Kennedy who campaigned in '68, a liberated guy who did impolitic things because he thought it was right (e.g., taking reporters to see the disgusting poverty on reservations not because it would gain him votes but because he knew the issue would at least gain press coverage), rather than the Bobby Kennedy before '68, who didn't rock the boat. I confess that part of why I like Obama is because Robert Kennedy is as close to a hero as I have, and I'm hoping like fuck that Obama gets it the way Bobby got it. Irrational, perhaps, but it's there.
Addendum: And Palin? I liked Keith Olbermann's quote "if you like that sort of thing, it's the sort of thing you'll like." So much for the pledges by republicans to take the high road during the convention.
Olbermann's become more than a bit insufferable over the past few months, but he does have the gift for a good quip.

Speaking of coded messages, I assume the whole dumping on community organizers, while obviously an attack on Obama's credentials, is also an attack on the poor. I mean, the reason these organizations exist is because government funding in the US and Canada dried up, so it's mostly in private hands now, existing one grant app to the next. And Republicans are attacking that? What principles are actually sacrosanct in that party anymore?
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eumaas wrote:A State position is more prestigious than a non-business private position. Why? Ultimately it's down to force (violence) and its legitimated possession.
But these are the fucks who quote St. Ronnie, who went on and on and on about how anything done in the private sector is always better than when govt tries. This goes all the way back to Hoover, who resisted govt aid during the Depression because he thought it would encourage dependency, so instead he encouraged volunteerism and private aid for the poor. That's been a pretty standard Republican position, even up to Shrubby's faith-based initiatives—get private interests taking care of social ills instead of govt. And then you have this crap that just dumped on community organizations. As I said, should it be interpreted as a massive fuck you to the marginalized?
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Spiff wrote:
JennyB wrote:I, of course, was offended about her implication regarding pit bulls.
I was offended by the crowd laughing about that old, tired, and certainly lame joke. :rolleyes:
That was the first time I ever heard it and I admit, I laughed.

The best part of Palin's speech: Her seven year old daughter licking her hand and smoothing the baby's hair down.

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Mimi wrote: The best part of Palin's speech: Her seven year old daughter licking her hand and smoothing the baby's Downs hair.
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And then you have this crap that just dumped on community organizations. As I said, should it be interpreted as a massive fuck you to the marginalized?
From Slate: "The crowd laughed at the mention of Obama being a community organizer during Giuliani's speech—what I think was not supposed to be a joke but rather a throwaway credit—but I'm sure all those laid-off steelworkers that Obama was working with to rebuild their lives wouldn't think it was funny. "Proud steelworkers," as Palin pointed out that her husband was. It's pretty mean to laugh at someone trying to help those with the true misfortune of a layoff; it seems cruel and unusual that those they were laughing at are professional kin of Palin's husband."

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The Republicans will always have a built-in advantage- the Democrats are a bunch of cowardly old women, of all ages and genders.

Scratch that- two advantages- nearly everyone in office is rich and doesn't want to pay their fair share of taxes. Hence, you elect a Democratic Congress and they roll over and mewl like sleepy little kittens for everything the White House wants.

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McCain speech = nap time
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Flex wrote:McCain speech = nap time
You wouldn't be able to nap if he hadn't been a POW. You fucking owe him your vote.
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