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Re: This is a fucking outrage.

Post by Wolter » 02 Sep 2009, 3:43pm

eumaas wrote: Look at how quickly anti-Zionism blends into anti-Semitism.
Two words: Mossad Van
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Re: This is a fucking outrage.

Post by eumaas » 02 Sep 2009, 3:48pm

Wolter wrote:
eumaas wrote: Look at how quickly anti-Zionism blends into anti-Semitism.
Two words: Mossad Van
So how does one do "Mossad Van" in charades anyway?
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Re: This is a fucking outrage.

Post by Wolter » 02 Sep 2009, 3:50pm

eumaas wrote:
Wolter wrote:
eumaas wrote: Look at how quickly anti-Zionism blends into anti-Semitism.
Two words: Mossad Van
So how does one do "Mossad Van" in charades anyway?
I mime uploading youtube covers.
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Re: This is a fucking outrage.

Post by matedog » 02 Sep 2009, 4:00pm

Wolter wrote:
eumaas wrote:
Wolter wrote:
eumaas wrote: Look at how quickly anti-Zionism blends into anti-Semitism.
Two words: Mossad Van
So how does one do "Mossad Van" in charades anyway?
I mime uploading youtube covers.
Hahaha!
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Re: This is a fucking outrage.

Post by Dr. Medulla » 02 Sep 2009, 4:18pm

eumaas wrote:But anti-Semitism is already on the rise. Israel's kinda crappy record has reignited it, not dampened it. Look at how quickly anti-Zionism blends into anti-Semitism.
To the degree where it's comparable to what's happening to the Roma or what happened in the early 1930s? That shit'll always exist in pockets and on the fringes, but I'm talking about spreading to more mainstream tolerance or even promotion. Anti-Semitic persecution is a much more difficult sell now. The real push to mainstream acceptability will be Muslims—it's too easy of a target for so many reasons, not the least of which is their growing numbers but otherwise marginalized status in Europe. Add in genuine examples of Muslim violence and the repressive response is an easy sell. Much more difficult to do that with Jews, even if Israeli treatment of Palestinians encourages anti-Semites.
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Re: This is a fucking outrage.

Post by eumaas » 02 Sep 2009, 4:25pm

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eumaas wrote:But anti-Semitism is already on the rise. Israel's kinda crappy record has reignited it, not dampened it. Look at how quickly anti-Zionism blends into anti-Semitism.
To the degree where it's comparable to what's happening to the Roma or what happened in the early 1930s? That shit'll always exist in pockets and on the fringes, but I'm talking about spreading to more mainstream tolerance or even promotion. Anti-Semitic persecution is a much more difficult sell now. The real push to mainstream acceptability will be Muslims—it's too easy of a target for so many reasons, not the least of which is their growing numbers but otherwise marginalized status in Europe. Add in genuine examples of Muslim violence and the repressive response is an easy sell. Much more difficult to do that with Jews, even if Israeli treatment of Palestinians encourages anti-Semites.
Not to that degree, but my statement was that I expected it to rise, not that it was already comparable. I don't think I'm crazy for perceiving a rise in anti-Semitism in Europe.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3586543.stm

or search the ADL's website.
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Re: This is a fucking outrage.

Post by eumaas » 02 Sep 2009, 4:33pm

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/ASInt_13/5465_13.htm

What I'm saying is that as it's acceptable already to fuck up the Roma, it'll grow acceptable to fuck up Muslims and Jews as well. I agree that the latter case would not come to fruition as soon, but I don't think it's unreasonable to think it possible.
"The only thing that really occurs to me that I can say on this is to point out how fascinating it is that the Hassan-i-Sabbah archetype keeps turning up over and over again ... He disappears up into the mountains and is never seen again. Believe me, he'll never be seen again. He'll live forever because of that."

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Re: This is a fucking outrage.

Post by matedog » 02 Sep 2009, 4:40pm

eumaas wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
eumaas wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
eumaas wrote:It's so horrifying to see the same arguments used against Jews yesterday used against the Roma today.
Hence my view of history as more cyclical than linear. We like to act out the same dramas over and over, recycling plots and dialogue because the audience keeps coming back.
Send Αλέξανδρος Christian Bishop back a few years and he'd be arguing Jewish children ought to be shot since they grow up to poison wells. I have no doubt that as the Roma problem escalates, anti-Semitism will gain ground. "Neither is reasonable enough to discard all their traditions and fully imitate the majority... maybe the problem is in the blood."
Altho this time around it won't be Jews but Muslims. Anti-Muslim sentiment seems an easier sell these days.
I'm guessing all three will get it.
The difference between now and the 1930s—the last big European anti-Semitic heyday—is the existence of Israel, a major player in the international community. Much of what happened to the Jews before occurred because they had no advocate to spur other nations. The US, too, is much different in its policy toward Jews than in the '30s. I'm not as inclined to think anti-Jewish sentiment will grow when there are weaker scapegoats to take the beating.
But anti-Semitism is already on the rise. Israel's kinda crappy record has reignited it, not dampened it. Look at how quickly anti-Zionism blends into anti-Semitism.
Very true. In the past, anti-semitism had a lot to do with a lack of assimilation into european culture (as seen in the rise in anti-semitism in Poland prior to WWII which was mostly due to a rise in Russian Jewish immigration who had yet to assimilate as other jews had in the historically accepting country). These days it seems to go hand in hand with the rise Islamic terrorism. So their squabbles are essentially leading to a rise racism against both in mainland Europe. The anti-Muslim rise is a bit more complicated though as it deals with the rise in terrorism and lack of assimilation.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Re: This is a fucking outrage.

Post by Dr. Medulla » 02 Sep 2009, 5:04pm

eumaas wrote:http://www.adl.org/PresRele/ASInt_13/5465_13.htm

What I'm saying is that as it's acceptable already to fuck up the Roma, it'll grow acceptable to fuck up Muslims and Jews as well. I agree that the latter case would not come to fruition as soon, but I don't think it's unreasonable to think it possible.
If it does rise to a significant level, it'll be due to totally different reasons than before. And by that I mean scapegoating looks for easy targets, and Jews as a people just aren't as easy a target anymore, whereas Roma and Muslims are. For serious anti-Semitic persecution to erupt, it would take a widespread war that covers Europe and the Middle East—that is, a total breakdown of the international order. In that kind of chaos, sure, old animosities would re-emerge. In a gradualist sense, tho, no, I just don't think the conditions are indicative.
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Re: This is a fucking outrage.

Post by JennyB » 02 Sep 2009, 6:10pm

eumaas wrote:
Garry Donald Puckett II:

Gypsies should try getting a job instead of cheating citizens out of their hard-earned wages. That might alleviate the problem a tad-bit;)
says the man who looks like this:
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What does he think hippies do? Jeez...

I saw your comment on facebook and wanted to respond, but I'm at work and there are spies everywhere. It's absolutely deplorable, and the fact that so many people are making these comments is making me physically ill.
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Re: This is a fucking outrage.

Post by Flex » 02 Sep 2009, 6:13pm

JennyB wrote:I saw your comment on facebook and wanted to respond, but I'm at work and there are spies everywhere.
But aren't they your people's spies? :huh:
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Re: This is a fucking outrage.

Post by JennyB » 02 Sep 2009, 7:15pm

Flex wrote:
JennyB wrote:I saw your comment on facebook and wanted to respond, but I'm at work and there are spies everywhere.
But aren't they your people's spies? :huh:
Nope...neither my supervisor nor my supervisor's supervisor are Mossadniks.
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JennyB wrote:
Flex wrote:
JennyB wrote:I saw your comment on facebook and wanted to respond, but I'm at work and there are spies everywhere.
But aren't they your people's spies? :huh:
Nope...neither my supervisor nor my supervisor's supervisor are Mossadniks.
Oh, those kind of spies... I thought we were talking about the kind that are tapping my phone...
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"The only thing that really occurs to me that I can say on this is to point out how fascinating it is that the Hassan-i-Sabbah archetype keeps turning up over and over again ... He disappears up into the mountains and is never seen again. Believe me, he'll never be seen again. He'll live forever because of that."

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