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Re: This is a fucking outrage.

Post by Dr. Medulla » 02 Sep 2009, 2:24pm

eumaas wrote:Another gem from William Jarrett:
While you Americans are busy electeing black presidents and inviting the entire southern hemisphere to colonize what's left of your majority-white country, please don't look down your noses are Europe. We have a sense of self-preservation and not all of us share your freakishly self-destructive values.
Awhile back, I said that the return of coon jokes is like the last fifty years didn't happen. Christ, maybe it's like the last seventy-five or a hundred years didn't happen.
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Re: This is a fucking outrage.

Post by eumaas » 02 Sep 2009, 2:26pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
eumaas wrote:Another gem from William Jarrett:
While you Americans are busy electeing black presidents and inviting the entire southern hemisphere to colonize what's left of your majority-white country, please don't look down your noses are Europe. We have a sense of self-preservation and not all of us share your freakishly self-destructive values.
Awhile back, I said that the return of coon jokes is like the last fifty years didn't happen. Christ, maybe it's like the last seventy-five or a hundred years didn't happen.
The memory of the Holocaust dims and fascism arises again from its pyre. :disshame:
"The only thing that really occurs to me that I can say on this is to point out how fascinating it is that the Hassan-i-Sabbah archetype keeps turning up over and over again ... He disappears up into the mountains and is never seen again. Believe me, he'll never be seen again. He'll live forever because of that."

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eumaas wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
eumaas wrote:Another gem from William Jarrett:
While you Americans are busy electeing black presidents and inviting the entire southern hemisphere to colonize what's left of your majority-white country, please don't look down your noses are Europe. We have a sense of self-preservation and not all of us share your freakishly self-destructive values.
Awhile back, I said that the return of coon jokes is like the last fifty years didn't happen. Christ, maybe it's like the last seventy-five or a hundred years didn't happen.
The memory of the Holocaust dims and fascism arises again from its pyre. :disshame:
The dimming memory is quite selective. I remember Halberstam's book about Clinton and Yugoslavia, where one expert told him that history is lived there, that some battle seven hundred years ago is still actively discussed and divides people.
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Re: This is a fucking outrage.

Post by eumaas » 02 Sep 2009, 3:02pm

Αλέξανδρος Christian Bishop: Again...it might be sad but it is certainly NOT surprising to anyone with half a brain that this is happening. Until they stop panhandeling, breaking into cars, prostituting their children, and generally begging for a generous hand to get by in this world, I will not respect them.

April Scarlett: good grief...I'm sure the five year old that was shot in the back was a real threat to society! Another tragic result of racism.

Αλέξανδρος Christian Bishop: No the threat is when the 5 yr old grows up and does the exact same thing the mother did....beg and sell cheap lighters to me when I am trying to eat my dinner.
"The only thing that really occurs to me that I can say on this is to point out how fascinating it is that the Hassan-i-Sabbah archetype keeps turning up over and over again ... He disappears up into the mountains and is never seen again. Believe me, he'll never be seen again. He'll live forever because of that."

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Post by eumaas » 02 Sep 2009, 3:09pm

A sensible comment:
"There seems to be an argument that either they are victims or they are criminals - how about the in-between? How about they are reduced to being criminals because they are victims of racism? How about being marginalized so badly that you are reduced to crime to survive? The only way out of this is to start giving them opportunities to live unmolested and to get the education and services everyone else gets. Someone has to break the cycle, and it will take time. This is an age old story. No one is purely good or purely bad. Look beyond the stereotypes."
"The only thing that really occurs to me that I can say on this is to point out how fascinating it is that the Hassan-i-Sabbah archetype keeps turning up over and over again ... He disappears up into the mountains and is never seen again. Believe me, he'll never be seen again. He'll live forever because of that."

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Post by Flex » 02 Sep 2009, 3:11pm

Jesus.
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Post by Wolter » 02 Sep 2009, 3:11pm

eumaas wrote:A sensible comment:
"There seems to be an argument that either they are victims or they are criminals - how about the in-between? How about they are reduced to being criminals because they are victims of racism? How about being marginalized so badly that you are reduced to crime to survive? The only way out of this is to start giving them opportunities to live unmolested and to get the education and services everyone else gets. Someone has to break the cycle, and it will take time. This is an age old story. No one is purely good or purely bad. Look beyond the stereotypes."
The person who said this will no doubt be shot.
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Re: This is a fucking outrage.

Post by eumaas » 02 Sep 2009, 3:16pm

Wolter wrote:
eumaas wrote:A sensible comment:
"There seems to be an argument that either they are victims or they are criminals - how about the in-between? How about they are reduced to being criminals because they are victims of racism? How about being marginalized so badly that you are reduced to crime to survive? The only way out of this is to start giving them opportunities to live unmolested and to get the education and services everyone else gets. Someone has to break the cycle, and it will take time. This is an age old story. No one is purely good or purely bad. Look beyond the stereotypes."
The person who said this will no doubt be shot.
It's so horrifying to see the same arguments used against Jews yesterday used against the Roma today. Send Αλέξανδρος Christian Bishop back a few years and he'd be arguing Jewish children ought to be shot since they grow up to poison wells. I have no doubt that as the Roma problem escalates, anti-Semitism will gain ground. "Neither is reasonable enough to discard all their traditions and fully imitate the majority... maybe the problem is in the blood."
"The only thing that really occurs to me that I can say on this is to point out how fascinating it is that the Hassan-i-Sabbah archetype keeps turning up over and over again ... He disappears up into the mountains and is never seen again. Believe me, he'll never be seen again. He'll live forever because of that."

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Post by eumaas » 02 Sep 2009, 3:17pm

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"The only thing that really occurs to me that I can say on this is to point out how fascinating it is that the Hassan-i-Sabbah archetype keeps turning up over and over again ... He disappears up into the mountains and is never seen again. Believe me, he'll never be seen again. He'll live forever because of that."

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Post by Dr. Medulla » 02 Sep 2009, 3:20pm

eumaas wrote:It's so horrifying to see the same arguments used against Jews yesterday used against the Roma today.
Hence my view of history as more cyclical than linear. We like to act out the same dramas over and over, recycling plots and dialogue because the audience keeps coming back.
Send Αλέξανδρος Christian Bishop back a few years and he'd be arguing Jewish children ought to be shot since they grow up to poison wells. I have no doubt that as the Roma problem escalates, anti-Semitism will gain ground. "Neither is reasonable enough to discard all their traditions and fully imitate the majority... maybe the problem is in the blood."
Altho this time around it won't be Jews but Muslims. Anti-Muslim sentiment seems an easier sell these days.
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Re: This is a fucking outrage.

Post by eumaas » 02 Sep 2009, 3:23pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
eumaas wrote:It's so horrifying to see the same arguments used against Jews yesterday used against the Roma today.
Hence my view of history as more cyclical than linear. We like to act out the same dramas over and over, recycling plots and dialogue because the audience keeps coming back.
Send Αλέξανδρος Christian Bishop back a few years and he'd be arguing Jewish children ought to be shot since they grow up to poison wells. I have no doubt that as the Roma problem escalates, anti-Semitism will gain ground. "Neither is reasonable enough to discard all their traditions and fully imitate the majority... maybe the problem is in the blood."
Altho this time around it won't be Jews but Muslims. Anti-Muslim sentiment seems an easier sell these days.
I'm guessing all three will get it.
"The only thing that really occurs to me that I can say on this is to point out how fascinating it is that the Hassan-i-Sabbah archetype keeps turning up over and over again ... He disappears up into the mountains and is never seen again. Believe me, he'll never be seen again. He'll live forever because of that."

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Post by matedog » 02 Sep 2009, 3:33pm

eumaas wrote: Another gem from William Jarrett:
While you Americans are busy electeing black presidents and inviting the entire southern hemisphere to colonize what's left of your majority-white country, please don't look down your noses are Europe. We have a sense of self-preservation and not all of us share your freakishly self-destructive values.
Not really the point but aren't most of the "colonizers" mentioned really central/north american? I don't think we are inundated with chilean immigrants.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Post by Flex » 02 Sep 2009, 3:35pm

matedog wrote:
eumaas wrote: Another gem from William Jarrett:
While you Americans are busy electeing black presidents and inviting the entire southern hemisphere to colonize what's left of your majority-white country, please don't look down your noses are Europe. We have a sense of self-preservation and not all of us share your freakishly self-destructive values.
Not really the point but aren't most of the "colonizers" mentioned really central/north american? I don't think we are inundated with chilean immigrants.
Yeah, that stats got your back on this one. Just another little example of what a dumbfuck this William Jarrett is.
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eumaas wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
eumaas wrote:It's so horrifying to see the same arguments used against Jews yesterday used against the Roma today.
Hence my view of history as more cyclical than linear. We like to act out the same dramas over and over, recycling plots and dialogue because the audience keeps coming back.
Send Αλέξανδρος Christian Bishop back a few years and he'd be arguing Jewish children ought to be shot since they grow up to poison wells. I have no doubt that as the Roma problem escalates, anti-Semitism will gain ground. "Neither is reasonable enough to discard all their traditions and fully imitate the majority... maybe the problem is in the blood."
Altho this time around it won't be Jews but Muslims. Anti-Muslim sentiment seems an easier sell these days.
I'm guessing all three will get it.
The difference between now and the 1930s—the last big European anti-Semitic heyday—is the existence of Israel, a major player in the international community. Much of what happened to the Jews before occurred because they had no advocate to spur other nations. The US, too, is much different in its policy toward Jews than in the '30s. I'm not as inclined to think anti-Jewish sentiment will grow when there are weaker scapegoats to take the beating.
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Re: This is a fucking outrage.

Post by eumaas » 02 Sep 2009, 3:42pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
eumaas wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
eumaas wrote:It's so horrifying to see the same arguments used against Jews yesterday used against the Roma today.
Hence my view of history as more cyclical than linear. We like to act out the same dramas over and over, recycling plots and dialogue because the audience keeps coming back.
Send Αλέξανδρος Christian Bishop back a few years and he'd be arguing Jewish children ought to be shot since they grow up to poison wells. I have no doubt that as the Roma problem escalates, anti-Semitism will gain ground. "Neither is reasonable enough to discard all their traditions and fully imitate the majority... maybe the problem is in the blood."
Altho this time around it won't be Jews but Muslims. Anti-Muslim sentiment seems an easier sell these days.
I'm guessing all three will get it.
The difference between now and the 1930s—the last big European anti-Semitic heyday—is the existence of Israel, a major player in the international community. Much of what happened to the Jews before occurred because they had no advocate to spur other nations. The US, too, is much different in its policy toward Jews than in the '30s. I'm not as inclined to think anti-Jewish sentiment will grow when there are weaker scapegoats to take the beating.
But anti-Semitism is already on the rise. Israel's kinda crappy record has reignited it, not dampened it. Look at how quickly anti-Zionism blends into anti-Semitism.
"The only thing that really occurs to me that I can say on this is to point out how fascinating it is that the Hassan-i-Sabbah archetype keeps turning up over and over again ... He disappears up into the mountains and is never seen again. Believe me, he'll never be seen again. He'll live forever because of that."

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