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Dr. Medulla wrote:My mother was a young woman in the Netherlands during the war. She's not completely irrational about it, but she definitely still harbours resentment and mistrust towards Germans. I cut her some slack even as I tell her she's not being fair to those who weren't even born at the time. Parents …
Every year I go to Passover and Rosh Hashanah dinners with Ali's family. It's a pretty big gathering (usually between 25-40 people), and the woman who hosts it is the child of a camp survivor. Her mother has severe Alzheimer's or something similar, and I swear she gives me some of the dirtiest looks all during dinner - she can still see my ancestry in me. Oh, and of course, the Holocaust is always brought into the seder at some point, which makes me feel GREAT.
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It's so interesting, because after all that he went through, my grandfather LOVED Germany until the day he died. He was fortunate enough to get out early, so maybe that's part of it, but he would go back at least once a year. My nana, on the other hand, refuses to even utter "Austria" to this very day.
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Good thing about the polish last name, the Holocaust is not the first thing people (especially Jewish friends) bring up.

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A case of historical memory being too intense, or rather misapplied. Some things need to be recalled more judiciously otherwise it just perpetuates needless discord.

I was in Iowa when Life is Beautiful came out. A bunch of us grad students saw it, including a young woman from Germany. Nothing in that movie affected me more than seeing her trembling while watching it. No idea if there was a family connection to the Holocaust, but she was definitely suffering while watching the film. Insert the Faulkner line about the past not even being past …
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http://newsblaze.com/story/200809251747 ... story.html
Interesting insight on the internal politics of the situation:
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/co ... 41403.html
Mob doing the scapegoating?

And I'm fucking applauding Soros:
http://euobserver.com/843/26750
Billionaire philanthropist and financier George Soros has said at a top-level EU conference on the problems facing Roma people in Europe that he supports legal action against Italy over recent anti-Gypsy measures, particularly the fingerprinting of adults and children.

"Certainly, fingerprinting, racial profiling and so on is unacceptable and, I believe, illegal, and I hope that the European Court of Justice will take up the case and declare it illegal," the Hungarian-born founder of the Open Society Institute said on Tuesday (16 September) in a press conference at the first "European Roma Summit" in Brussels, an event jointly organised by the European Commission and the Soros foundation.

"I am worried that this could become a de facto European standard," Mr Soros added.
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http://www.girodivite.it/Alexian-Santin ... ,8900.html
What is happening in Italy pains me as Roma and as Italian citizen but also as a human being. Having seen the Roma children and women escape under the launch of Molotov in may was a terrifying event. These images are passed only on Sky pay-TV and not on national networks unencrypted. After months none was suspected, no blame, no one will pay for attempted massacre.

There is a deafening silence at this time in Italy. A guilty silence, criminal act ... It can lead to a dangerous cultural genocide that we know Roma on our skin with the name of Porrajmos.

How is it possible that the Italian situation is very clear abroad seen the warning of the European Parliament and the High Commissioner while in Italy nobody noticed anything? Not a single authoritative voice was raised to condemn the inhuman situation of the Roma! A scapegoat useful and necessary built ad hoc because of polluted! Stop the mystifications! The Roma fled from war in the Balkans instead of obtaining the status of political refugees were kept in a limbo with no recognition and today to be fled from the war are illegal and therefore will be prosecuted There are European funds intended for integration of the Roma, European citizens, not used by our governments doing to believe that the integration of the Roma and Sinti in Italy and burdensome for all Italians! The safety and legality must be guaranteed to all. Roma and Sinti included. We must restore legality about the blatant violation of the most elementary human rights against romanès different communities in Italy, forced to live in discriminatory conditions in stark contrast to the Italian Constitution, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and European standards and international. We must dismantle the camps nomads who are social bin degrading and frustrating, centres of racial segregation and permanent symbol of discrimination.
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eumaas wrote:http://newsblaze.com/story/200809251747 ... story.html
Interesting insight on the internal politics of the situation:
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/co ... 41403.html
Mob doing the scapegoating?

And I'm fucking applauding Soros:
http://euobserver.com/843/26750
Billionaire philanthropist and financier George Soros has said at a top-level EU conference on the problems facing Roma people in Europe that he supports legal action against Italy over recent anti-Gypsy measures, particularly the fingerprinting of adults and children.

"Certainly, fingerprinting, racial profiling and so on is unacceptable and, I believe, illegal, and I hope that the European Court of Justice will take up the case and declare it illegal," the Hungarian-born founder of the Open Society Institute said on Tuesday (16 September) in a press conference at the first "European Roma Summit" in Brussels, an event jointly organised by the European Commission and the Soros foundation.

"I am worried that this could become a de facto European standard," Mr Soros added.
Isn't Soros a Holocaust survivor? I guess it takes someone like that to actually do something.
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JennyB wrote:
eumaas wrote:http://newsblaze.com/story/200809251747 ... story.html
Interesting insight on the internal politics of the situation:
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/co ... 41403.html
Mob doing the scapegoating?

And I'm fucking applauding Soros:
http://euobserver.com/843/26750
Billionaire philanthropist and financier George Soros has said at a top-level EU conference on the problems facing Roma people in Europe that he supports legal action against Italy over recent anti-Gypsy measures, particularly the fingerprinting of adults and children.

"Certainly, fingerprinting, racial profiling and so on is unacceptable and, I believe, illegal, and I hope that the European Court of Justice will take up the case and declare it illegal," the Hungarian-born founder of the Open Society Institute said on Tuesday (16 September) in a press conference at the first "European Roma Summit" in Brussels, an event jointly organised by the European Commission and the Soros foundation.

"I am worried that this could become a de facto European standard," Mr Soros added.
Isn't Soros a Holocaust survivor? I guess it takes someone like that to actually do something.
I think so--I know he was a born a Jew in Hungary with Esperanto as his first language, which was a damn good way to get hated.
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JennyB wrote:
eumaas wrote:http://newsblaze.com/story/200809251747 ... story.html
Interesting insight on the internal politics of the situation:
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/co ... 41403.html
Mob doing the scapegoating?

And I'm fucking applauding Soros:
http://euobserver.com/843/26750
Billionaire philanthropist and financier George Soros has said at a top-level EU conference on the problems facing Roma people in Europe that he supports legal action against Italy over recent anti-Gypsy measures, particularly the fingerprinting of adults and children.

"Certainly, fingerprinting, racial profiling and so on is unacceptable and, I believe, illegal, and I hope that the European Court of Justice will take up the case and declare it illegal," the Hungarian-born founder of the Open Society Institute said on Tuesday (16 September) in a press conference at the first "European Roma Summit" in Brussels, an event jointly organised by the European Commission and the Soros foundation.

"I am worried that this could become a de facto European standard," Mr Soros added.
Isn't Soros a Holocaust survivor? I guess it takes someone like that to actually do something.
I can't remember...let's check Hoaxipedia:
Soros was thirteen years old in March 1944 when Nazi Germany took military control over Hungary[8]. Soros worked for two days for the Jewish Council, which had been established during the Nazi occupation of Hungary to forcibly carry out Nazi and Hungarian government anti-Jewish measures. Soros later described this time to writer Michael Lewis:

The Jewish Council asked the little kids to hand out the deportation notices. I was told to go to the Jewish Council. And there I was given these small slips of paper...It said report to the rabbi seminary at 9 a.m....And I was given this list of names. I took this piece of paper to my father. He instantly recognized it. This was a list of Hungarian Jewish lawyers. He said, "You deliver the slips of paper and tell the people that if they report they will be deported.[9]

To avoid his son's being apprehended by the Nazis, Soros's father paid a Ministry of Agriculture employee to have Soros spend the summer of 1944 living with him and posing as the godson. Young Soros had to hide his Jewishness even as the official was overseeing the confiscation of Jewish property.[10]

In the following year, Soros survived the battle of Budapest in which Soviet and Nazi forces fought house-to-house through the city.
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Oh, and eumaas: he escaped from the Iron Curtain by attending an Esperanto conference.
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To avoid his son's being apprehended by the Nazis, Soros's father paid a Ministry of Agriculture employee to have Soros spend the summer of 1944 living with him and posing as the godson. Young Soros had to hide his Jewishness even as the official was overseeing the confiscation of Jewish property.

Soros emigrated to England in 1947 and graduated from the London School of Economics in 1952. While a student of the philosopher Karl Popper, Soros funded himself by taking jobs as a railway porter and a waiter at Quaglino's restaurant where he was told that with hard work he might one day become head waiter. He also worked in a mannequin factory, but was fired for being too slow at putting on the heads. He eventually secured an entry-level position with London merchant bank Singer & Friedlander.
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BostonBeaneater wrote:
To avoid his son's being apprehended by the Nazis, Soros's father paid a Ministry of Agriculture employee to have Soros spend the summer of 1944 living with him and posing as the godson. Young Soros had to hide his Jewishness even as the official was overseeing the confiscation of Jewish property.

Soros emigrated to England in 1947 and graduated from the London School of Economics in 1952. While a student of the philosopher Karl Popper, Soros funded himself by taking jobs as a railway porter and a waiter at Quaglino's restaurant where he was told that with hard work he might one day become head waiter. He also worked in a mannequin factory, but was fired for being too slow at putting on the heads. He eventually secured an entry-level position with London merchant bank Singer & Friedlander.
Jesus Christ, his whole life is one sequence of weird facts after another.
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BostonBeaneater wrote:
Soros emigrated to England in 1947 and graduated from the London School of Economics in 1952. While a student of the philosopher Karl Popper, Soros funded himself by taking jobs as a railway porter and a waiter at Quaglino's restaurant where he was told that with hard work he might one day become head waiter. He also worked in a mannequin factory, but was fired for being too slow at putting on the heads. He eventually secured an entry-level position with London merchant bank Singer & Friedlander.
True and semi-embarrassing story: I was fired from Dairy Queen when I was sixteen for not being able to make the the little curl at the top of the ice cream cone. Admittedly, several of us were going to get fired anyway—the guy hired five people for one position then waited to see who would be the best wage-slave. My lack of wrist control earned me a kick out the door.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
BostonBeaneater wrote:
Soros emigrated to England in 1947 and graduated from the London School of Economics in 1952. While a student of the philosopher Karl Popper, Soros funded himself by taking jobs as a railway porter and a waiter at Quaglino's restaurant where he was told that with hard work he might one day become head waiter. He also worked in a mannequin factory, but was fired for being too slow at putting on the heads. He eventually secured an entry-level position with London merchant bank Singer & Friedlander.
True and semi-embarrassing story: I was fired from Dairy Queen when I was sixteen for not being able to make the the little curl at the top of the ice cream cone. Admittedly, several of us were going to get fired anyway—the guy hired five people for one position then waited to see who would be the best wage-slave. My lack of wrist control earned me a kick out the door.
You epileptics are fucking pathetic. Get a real job, gypsy bastard.
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eumaas wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
BostonBeaneater wrote:
Soros emigrated to England in 1947 and graduated from the London School of Economics in 1952. While a student of the philosopher Karl Popper, Soros funded himself by taking jobs as a railway porter and a waiter at Quaglino's restaurant where he was told that with hard work he might one day become head waiter. He also worked in a mannequin factory, but was fired for being too slow at putting on the heads. He eventually secured an entry-level position with London merchant bank Singer & Friedlander.
True and semi-embarrassing story: I was fired from Dairy Queen when I was sixteen for not being able to make the the little curl at the top of the ice cream cone. Admittedly, several of us were going to get fired anyway—the guy hired five people for one position then waited to see who would be the best wage-slave. My lack of wrist control earned me a kick out the door.
You epileptics are fucking pathetic. Get a real job, gypsy bastard.
Sadly, I was fine then. Apart from being a basically insecure teenager and all.
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