Happy Hiroshima Day!

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Happy Hiroshima Day!

Post by eumaas » 06 Aug 2010, 9:39am

USA! USA! USA!
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Post by Wolter » 06 Aug 2010, 9:40am

eumaas wrote:USA! USA! USA!
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Re: Happy Hiroshima Day!

Post by Spiff » 06 Aug 2010, 9:41am

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Re: Happy Hiroshima Day!

Post by eumaas » 06 Aug 2010, 9:43am

Dennis: "Something like where those American soldiers are raising that flag up in that one war."
Mac: "The one where we saved Japan."
Charlie: "Ohhh correct, Hiroshima."
Dennis: "Actualy Charlie, it wasn't Hiroshima."
Charlie: "I'm pretty sure Hiroshima is in Japan dude."
Frank: "We dropped a nuclear bomb on Japan."
Charlie: "Why the hell would we drop a nuclear bomb on Japan? They make all our cars, they're our friends."
"The only thing that really occurs to me that I can say on this is to point out how fascinating it is that the Hassan-i-Sabbah archetype keeps turning up over and over again ... He disappears up into the mountains and is never seen again. Believe me, he'll never be seen again. He'll live forever because of that."

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Re: Happy Hiroshima Day!

Post by Dr. Medulla » 06 Aug 2010, 10:14am

Just remember, Truman had no choice but to annihilate all those civilians. In two cities.
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Re: Happy Hiroshima Day!

Post by BostonBeaneater » 06 Aug 2010, 10:17am

I'd have pulled that trigger. The Nips earned themselves that one.

http://www.unit-731.com/

http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistor ... anking.htm
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Re: Happy Hiroshima Day!

Post by eumaas » 06 Aug 2010, 10:25am

BostonBeaneater wrote:I'd have pulled that trigger. The Nips earned themselves that one.

http://www.unit-731.com/

http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistor ... anking.htm
I also believe that civilians should be held accountable for the actions of their government and military, which is why I helped plot 9/11.
"The only thing that really occurs to me that I can say on this is to point out how fascinating it is that the Hassan-i-Sabbah archetype keeps turning up over and over again ... He disappears up into the mountains and is never seen again. Believe me, he'll never be seen again. He'll live forever because of that."

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Re: Happy Hiroshima Day!

Post by Heston » 06 Aug 2010, 10:26am

BostonBeaneater wrote:I'd have pulled that trigger. The Nips earned themselves that one.

http://www.unit-731.com/

http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistor ... anking.htm
The innocent Japanese people earned themselves nothing.

People of Unit 731:
The head of Unit 731 was Shiro Ishii (Lieutenant-General), other members: Lieutenant Colonel Ryoichi Naito, Dr. Masaji Kitano, Yoshio Shinozuka. The scientists that were involved in these crimes were given amnesty by the USA in exchange for the experimental data.

Maybe these were the people that deserved the trigger.
So what does Marconi playing the mamba mean? "Marconi" is referring to the radio itself. It plays a deadly snake. The snake - the mamba - is slithering from the speakers. Ready to kill greedy corporations. Ready to free the world of all that is evil, and to leave behind only the youthful idealism encompassed by the tenets of rock and roll.

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Re: Happy Hiroshima Day!

Post by BostonBeaneater » 06 Aug 2010, 11:39am

Tojo and his gang would have nuked every church and orphange in America if they had the chance.
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Re: Happy Hiroshima Day!

Post by Wolter » 06 Aug 2010, 11:41am

BostonBeaneater wrote:Tojo and his gang would have nuked every church and orphange in America if they had the chance.
So we should stop those monsters by nuking civilian targets?
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Re: Happy Hiroshima Day!

Post by eumaas » 06 Aug 2010, 11:44am

"The only thing that really occurs to me that I can say on this is to point out how fascinating it is that the Hassan-i-Sabbah archetype keeps turning up over and over again ... He disappears up into the mountains and is never seen again. Believe me, he'll never be seen again. He'll live forever because of that."

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Re: Happy Hiroshima Day!

Post by BostonBeaneater » 06 Aug 2010, 11:47am

Wolter wrote:
BostonBeaneater wrote:Tojo and his gang would have nuked every church and orphange in America if they had the chance.
So we should stop those monsters by nuking civilian targets?
It was an ugly thing to do but likely avoided twice and many civilians and several hundered thousand Americans who would have died if the Allies tried to invade the main island. War is ugly. Also worth mentioning is the fact that the USSR was racing to get involved and a slow fight may have led to the US and the Russkies haveing to split the island a la East and West Germany. I think it's easy to make ethical and moral arguments post facto. Put yourself in Truman's shoes in 1945.
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Re: Happy Hiroshima Day!

Post by Wolter » 06 Aug 2010, 12:03pm

BostonBeaneater wrote:
Wolter wrote:
BostonBeaneater wrote:Tojo and his gang would have nuked every church and orphange in America if they had the chance.
So we should stop those monsters by nuking civilian targets?
It was an ugly thing to do but likely avoided twice and many civilians and several hundered thousand Americans who would have died if the Allies tried to invade the main island. War is ugly. Also worth mentioning is the fact that the USSR was racing to get involved and a slow fight may have led to the US and the Russkies haveing to split the island a la East and West Germany. I think it's easy to make ethical and moral arguments post facto. Put yourself in Truman's shoes in 1945.
Debatable.

War is ugly, yes. But targeting civilians is not even war in any appreciable sense. It's state-sponsored terrorism.
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Re: Happy Hiroshima Day!

Post by tepista » 06 Aug 2010, 12:05pm

No Hiroshima, No Godzilla. We saved their economy.
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Re: Happy Hiroshima Day!

Post by eumaas » 06 Aug 2010, 12:06pm

BostonBeaneater wrote:
Wolter wrote:
BostonBeaneater wrote:Tojo and his gang would have nuked every church and orphange in America if they had the chance.
So we should stop those monsters by nuking civilian targets?
It was an ugly thing to do but likely avoided twice and many civilians and several hundered thousand Americans who would have died if the Allies tried to invade the main island. War is ugly. Also worth mentioning is the fact that the USSR was racing to get involved and a slow fight may have led to the US and the Russkies haveing to split the island a la East and West Germany. I think it's easy to make ethical and moral arguments post facto. Put yourself in Truman's shoes in 1945.
Since you want to make this about practicalities rather than ethics, I'll point you to these folks, possessing expertise in war and positions in this particular war and thus relevant authorities, who disagreed with Truman:
http://www.doug-long.com/quotes.htm
Here's just a couple:
~~~DWIGHT EISENHOWER

"...in [July] 1945... Secretary of War Stimson, visiting my headquarters in Germany, informed me that our government was preparing to drop an atomic bomb on Japan. I was one of those who felt that there were a number of cogent reasons to question the wisdom of such an act. ...the Secretary, upon giving me the news of the successful bomb test in New Mexico, and of the plan for using it, asked for my reaction, apparently expecting a vigorous assent.

"During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of 'face'. The Secretary was deeply perturbed by my attitude..."

- Dwight Eisenhower, Mandate For Change, pg. 380

In a Newsweek interview, Eisenhower again recalled the meeting with Stimson:

"...the Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing."

- Ike on Ike, Newsweek, 11/11/63
~~~ADMIRAL WILLIAM D. LEAHY
(Chief of Staff to Presidents Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman)

"It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons.

"The lethal possibilities of atomic warfare in the future are frightening. My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children."

- William Leahy, I Was There, pg. 441.
"The only thing that really occurs to me that I can say on this is to point out how fascinating it is that the Hassan-i-Sabbah archetype keeps turning up over and over again ... He disappears up into the mountains and is never seen again. Believe me, he'll never be seen again. He'll live forever because of that."

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