Yuck

[matedog]

It can be, but it doesn't NEED to be. There are much better synonyms out there.

Fair enough, but there are tons of expressions that we all use that could be shelved in favour of something better or more accurate. If the other guy understands your intent, there's nothing wrong with its usage in casual conversation, which is what Hoy was doing.

Nothing technically wrong with it no. But nothing technically right with it either. It would be nice if people actually were aware of the correct usage, but most aren't.

And that's where we differ. Correct usage is contextual, and the expression has evolved to the point that in casual conversation it's fine as synonymous with "raises the question."

I only differ because the lack of formal logical teaching is one of the reasons Hoyism continues to exist.

My logic is sound. I got the point across with fewer words and/or syllables. It was just you comp lit majors that took issue with it.

[Dr. Medulla]

It can be, but it doesn't NEED to be. There are much better synonyms out there.

Fair enough, but there are tons of expressions that we all use that could be shelved in favour of something better or more accurate. If the other guy understands your intent, there's nothing wrong with its usage in casual conversation, which is what Hoy was doing.

Nothing technically wrong with it no. But nothing technically right with it either. It would be nice if people actually were aware of the correct usage, but most aren't.

And that's where we differ. Correct usage is contextual, and the expression has evolved to the point that in casual conversation it's fine as synonymous with "raises the question."

I only differ because the lack of formal logical teaching is one of the reasons Hoyism continues to exist.

Context. He wasn't using it in the context of formal logic. If he used the expression incorrectly in a discussion about logic, calling him on it would be justified; otherwise it's just pedantic.

[Wolter]

Fair enough, but there are tons of expressions that we all use that could be shelved in favour of something better or more accurate. If the other guy understands your intent, there's nothing wrong with its usage in casual conversation, which is what Hoy was doing.

Nothing technically wrong with it no. But nothing technically right with it either. It would be nice if people actually were aware of the correct usage, but most aren't.

And that's where we differ. Correct usage is contextual, and the expression has evolved to the point that in casual conversation it's fine as synonymous with "raises the question."

I only differ because the lack of formal logical teaching is one of the reasons Hoyism continues to exist.

Context. He wasn't using it in the context of formal logic. If he used the expression incorrectly in a discussion about logic, calling him on it would be justified; otherwise it's just pedantic.

The fact that he thinks his logic is sound is proof that we need more logic in schools.

[matedog]

Nothing technically wrong with it no. But nothing technically right with it either. It would be nice if people actually were aware of the correct usage, but most aren't.

And that's where we differ. Correct usage is contextual, and the expression has evolved to the point that in casual conversation it's fine as synonymous with "raises the question."

I only differ because the lack of formal logical teaching is one of the reasons Hoyism continues to exist.

Context. He wasn't using it in the context of formal logic. If he used the expression incorrectly in a discussion about logic, calling him on it would be justified; otherwise it's just pedantic.

The fact that he thinks his logic is sound is proof that we need more logic in schools.

Wrong. More science fairs and less renaissance fairs.

[Wolter]

And that's where we differ. Correct usage is contextual, and the expression has evolved to the point that in casual conversation it's fine as synonymous with "raises the question."

I only differ because the lack of formal logical teaching is one of the reasons Hoyism continues to exist.

Context. He wasn't using it in the context of formal logic. If he used the expression incorrectly in a discussion about logic, calling him on it would be justified; otherwise it's just pedantic.

The fact that he thinks his logic is sound is proof that we need more logic in schools.

Wrong. More science fairs and less renaissance fairs.

Um...what the fuck are you talking about? Logic is deeply grounded in both math and philosophy.

Oh wait, you wouldn't know that because you dropped out of high school to go to a votech.

[Dr. Medulla]

Nothing technically wrong with it no. But nothing technically right with it either. It would be nice if people actually were aware of the correct usage, but most aren't.

And that's where we differ. Correct usage is contextual, and the expression has evolved to the point that in casual conversation it's fine as synonymous with "raises the question."

I only differ because the lack of formal logical teaching is one of the reasons Hoyism continues to exist.

Context. He wasn't using it in the context of formal logic. If he used the expression incorrectly in a discussion about logic, calling him on it would be justified; otherwise it's just pedantic.

The fact that he thinks his logic is sound is proof that we need more logic in schools.

Okay, that's something else altogether. He's abusing my defence of him in batshit ways. I go no further than the original objection to calling him out for using the expression in the vernacular. I'm sensibly distancing myself from him after that.

[matedog]

I only differ because the lack of formal logical teaching is one of the reasons Hoyism continues to exist.

Context. He wasn't using it in the context of formal logic. If he used the expression incorrectly in a discussion about logic, calling him on it would be justified; otherwise it's just pedantic.

The fact that he thinks his logic is sound is proof that we need more logic in schools.

Wrong. More science fairs and less renaissance fairs.

Um...what the fuck are you talking about? Logic is deeply grounded in both math and philosophy.

Oh wait, you wouldn't know that because you dropped out of high school to go to a votech.

Math logic is cool. Just when you apply it to fruity things like words and stuff it's less cool.

[matedog]

And that's where we differ. Correct usage is contextual, and the expression has evolved to the point that in casual conversation it's fine as synonymous with "raises the question."

I only differ because the lack of formal logical teaching is one of the reasons Hoyism continues to exist.

Context. He wasn't using it in the context of formal logic. If he used the expression incorrectly in a discussion about logic, calling him on it would be justified; otherwise it's just pedantic.

The fact that he thinks his logic is sound is proof that we need more logic in schools.

Okay, that's something else altogether. He's abusing my defence of him in batshit ways. I go no further than the original objection to calling him out for using the expression in the vernacular. I'm sensibly distancing myself from him after that.

For the record, I have read all sides to this discussion and it taught me stuff and what not. I'm just toying around per the norm.

[eumaas]

Whoa. What the fuck happened here?

I was only correcting Hoy so he could sound better. If he had used "irregardless" I would have done the same. I don't understand why everybody decided to have a conniption fit over it.

[eumaas]

Math is just logic and set theory in its foundations.

I was the poetry major, not Wolter.

[Dr. Medulla]

Whoa. What the fuck happened here?

I was only correcting Hoy so he could sound better. If he had used "irregardless" I would have done the same. I don't understand why everybody decided to have a conniption fit over it.

No conniptions were fit; just an opportunity to express disagreements.

[matedog]

Whoa. What the fuck happened here?

I was only correcting Hoy so he could sound better. If he had used "irregardless" I would have done the same. I don't understand why everybody decided to have a conniption fit over it.

No conniptions were fit; just an opportunity to express disagreements.

I had conniptions. I don't like it when Wolt disparages Gudger College.

[Wolter]

Whoa. What the fuck happened here?

I was only correcting Hoy so he could sound better. If he had used "irregardless" I would have done the same. I don't understand why everybody decided to have a conniption fit over it.

No conniptions were fit; just an opportunity to express disagreements.

I had conniptions. I don't like it when Wolt disparages Gudger College.

I had conniptions. I don't like it when Hoy.

[Dr. Medulla]

Whoa. What the fuck happened here?

I was only correcting Hoy so he could sound better. If he had used "irregardless" I would have done the same. I don't understand why everybody decided to have a conniption fit over it.

No conniptions were fit; just an opportunity to express disagreements.

I had conniptions. I don't like it when Wolt disparages Gudger College.

I had conniptions. I don't like it when Hoy.

Hoylter: Brothers in conniptions.

[eumaas]

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