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Re: Oh, SC...

Post by matedog » 04 Mar 2010, 2:50pm

Wolter wrote:
matedog wrote:
Wolter wrote:
eumaas wrote:
matedog wrote:But seriously, this Israeli guy I met in Beijing told me Israel was going to be going to plastic money in the near future which seems even better. But of course they would be on the cutting edge of those matters.
Plastic money? That's a terrible idea.
Hoy is thinking like an engineer. Nonbiodegradable and cheap, therefore it will last forever...
I am more Israeli than Eumaas for once.
No. An Israeli (or really anyone that has half a brain) should know that reasoning is asinine.
Make it so it is nearly impossible to forge, it requires far less replacement than those flimsy dollar bills we have that go out of circulation after 2 years or so, what's asinine?
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Re: Oh, SC...

Post by Wolter » 04 Mar 2010, 2:58pm

matedog wrote:
Wolter wrote:
matedog wrote:
Wolter wrote:
eumaas wrote: Plastic money? That's a terrible idea.
Hoy is thinking like an engineer. Nonbiodegradable and cheap, therefore it will last forever...
I am more Israeli than Eumaas for once.
No. An Israeli (or really anyone that has half a brain) should know that reasoning is asinine.
Make it so it is nearly impossible to forge, it requires far less replacement than those flimsy dollar bills we have that go out of circulation after 2 years or so, what's asinine?
Well, for one thing, everytime they upgrade the damn bills they're going to have to perform a very costly recycle on them or leave a huge amount of nonbiodegradable waste. To add all the anti-forging stuff will involve a lot of costly processes, which will increase the cost to print, not to mention the entire switchover to a completely different printint method. Also, every attempt to change money beyond very cosmetic things in the past 5 decades is met with annoyance and anger from the public.
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Re: Oh, SC...

Post by Spiff » 04 Mar 2010, 3:12pm

But the Aussies have plastic money!

And everything from the land of Oz is good, no?
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Re: Oh, SC...

Post by Rat Patrol » 04 Mar 2010, 3:19pm

eumaas wrote:
matedog wrote:But seriously, this Israeli guy I met in Beijing told me Israel was going to be going to plastic money in the near future which seems even better. But of course they would be on the cutting edge of those matters.
Plastic money? That's a terrible idea.
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Re: Oh, SC...

Post by matedog » 04 Mar 2010, 4:32pm

Wolter wrote:
matedog wrote:
Wolter wrote:
matedog wrote:
Wolter wrote: Hoy is thinking like an engineer. Nonbiodegradable and cheap, therefore it will last forever...
I am more Israeli than Eumaas for once.
No. An Israeli (or really anyone that has half a brain) should know that reasoning is asinine.
Make it so it is nearly impossible to forge, it requires far less replacement than those flimsy dollar bills we have that go out of circulation after 2 years or so, what's asinine?
Well, for one thing, everytime they upgrade the damn bills they're going to have to perform a very costly recycle on them or leave a huge amount of nonbiodegradable waste.
Fuck it, recycle it. The amount of money saved by converting to non paper money is, from my understanding, tremendous and may or not be enough to cover the cost. I don't think either of us know.
Wolter wrote:To add all the anti-forging stuff will involve a lot of costly processes,
It already does
Wolter wrote: which will increase the cost to print, not to mention the entire switchover to a completely different printint method.
Again, the cost/benefit change is unknown to me.
Wolter wrote: Also, every attempt to change money beyond very cosmetic things in the past 5 decades is met with annoyance and anger from the public.
People don't want to change over to the metric system or have universal health care either.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Re: Oh, SC...

Post by Wolter » 04 Mar 2010, 4:34pm

Since this is a Dictator thread, Hoy, I'm going to take the liberty of not addressing any of your points, make a broad ad hominem attack of Bruce Springsteen fandom in general, then act like I've won this.
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Re: Oh, SC...

Post by JennyB » 04 Mar 2010, 6:49pm

Hoy just thinks Israel is going to go to plastic money because he's anti-Semitic. :shifty: He only started liking Springsteen when he realized he WASN'T Jewish.
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Post by Dr. Medulla » 04 Mar 2010, 10:27pm

By coincidence—or is Mossad at work again?!—in the budget announced today, Canada is converting to plastic money.
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Re: Oh, SC...

Post by 101Walterton » 04 Mar 2010, 10:36pm

Spiff wrote:But the Aussies have plastic money!

And everything from the land of Oz is good, no?
Yes but no. No everything from Oz is not good, Jimmy Barnes for one although he is Scottish. But yes plastic money has been around for years. It was changed because surfies kept losing their ice cream money when they forgot to take it out of their boardies before going surfing, causing a shortage of notes.

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Re: Oh, SC...

Post by Flex » 05 Mar 2010, 2:00am

101Walterton wrote:
Spiff wrote:But the Aussies have plastic money!

And everything from the land of Oz is good, no?
Yes but no. No everything from Oz is not good, Jimmy Barnes for one although he is Scottish. But yes plastic money has been around for years. It was changed because surfies kept losing their ice cream money when they forgot to take it out of their boardies before going surfing, causing a shortage of notes.
Is your impression that it's generally as good or better than paper money or are there drawbacks?
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Re: Oh, SC...

Post by eumaas » 05 Mar 2010, 2:12am

I would prefer either commodity money (gold, silver, etc) or local credit currencies (like L.E.T.S. or other stuff Kevin Carson talks about). A switch from linen to synthetic doesn't matter much to me so long as currency is fiat.

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Re: Oh, SC...

Post by 101Walterton » 05 Mar 2010, 2:50am

Flex wrote:
101Walterton wrote:
Spiff wrote:But the Aussies have plastic money!

And everything from the land of Oz is good, no?
Yes but no. No everything from Oz is not good, Jimmy Barnes for one although he is Scottish. But yes plastic money has been around for years. It was changed because surfies kept losing their ice cream money when they forgot to take it out of their boardies before going surfing, causing a shortage of notes.
Is your impression that it's generally as good or better than paper money or are there drawbacks?
It's better in every way.

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Re: Oh, SC...

Post by Flex » 05 Mar 2010, 2:57am

101Walterton wrote:
Flex wrote:
101Walterton wrote:
Spiff wrote:But the Aussies have plastic money!

And everything from the land of Oz is good, no?
Yes but no. No everything from Oz is not good, Jimmy Barnes for one although he is Scottish. But yes plastic money has been around for years. It was changed because surfies kept losing their ice cream money when they forgot to take it out of their boardies before going surfing, causing a shortage of notes.
Is your impression that it's generally as good or better than paper money or are there drawbacks?
It's better in every way.
In that case, I fully expect American resistance to the entire notion... :shifty:
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Re: Oh, SC...

Post by Dr. Medulla » 05 Mar 2010, 7:32am

Flex wrote:
101Walterton wrote:
Flex wrote:
101Walterton wrote:
Spiff wrote:But the Aussies have plastic money!

And everything from the land of Oz is good, no?
Yes but no. No everything from Oz is not good, Jimmy Barnes for one although he is Scottish. But yes plastic money has been around for years. It was changed because surfies kept losing their ice cream money when they forgot to take it out of their boardies before going surfing, causing a shortage of notes.
Is your impression that it's generally as good or better than paper money or are there drawbacks?
It's better in every way.
In that case, I fully expect American resistance to the entire notion... :shifty:
I remember seeing some panel discussion back in the late 80s, when the Canada-US free trade pact was being discussed, and the subject of a common currency was being talked about. The American on the panel said that it would never happen because the American people would never accept a redesigned money, that greenbacks have a mystic hold on Americans.
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Re: Oh, SC...

Post by matedog » 05 Mar 2010, 2:32pm

Spiff wrote:But the Aussies have plastic money!

And everything from the land of Oz is good, no?
Ugh, I retract my endorsement of plastic money. Unless of course the Israelis do it.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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