Why did I marry you, you worthless whore?

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I appreciate the intent—cruelty and abuse is debilitating whether it's physical or mental—but if France's legal profession is anything like America's, it's just inviting more and more inane arguments to test the statute's limits.
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I agree that half the intent is noble (trying to address and stymie abuse--of course the using the state part strikes me as less than noble) but like you I think this is completely unenforceable.
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eumaas wrote:I agree that half the intent is noble (trying to address and stymie abuse--of course the using the state part strikes me as less than noble) but like you I think this is completely unenforceable.
I think it could only be enforcable in the case of emotional abuse of children, and even that is difficult to prove. At least then there are physical and behavioral signs (failure to thrive, a child who is overly eager to please, etc) but even these could mean a number of different things. It seems like it would have to escalate into physical abuse before any legal action could be taken (and I use the term escalate loosely because we all know that emotional abuse can be just as devastating, if not more so, than physical abuse. I'm talking about both adults and children).
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JennyB wrote:
eumaas wrote:I agree that half the intent is noble (trying to address and stymie abuse--of course the using the state part strikes me as less than noble) but like you I think this is completely unenforceable.
I think it could only be enforcable in the case of emotional abuse of children, and even that is difficult to prove. At least then there are physical and behavioral signs (failure to thrive, a child who is overly eager to please, etc) but even these could mean a number of different things. It seems like it would have to escalate into physical abuse before any legal action could be taken (and I use the term escalate loosely because we all know that emotional abuse can be just as devastating, if not more so, than physical abuse. I'm talking about both adults and children).
I think more of a social-communal approach would work better, honestly. Since no force is being exercised (unlike in the case of the state enforcing a law), there's not the same issue of evidence and procedural requirements when bringing to bear social pressures against abusers--letting people know that being an abusive asshole is not OK but without formally resorting to violence as a corrective.
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eumaas wrote:
JennyB wrote:
eumaas wrote:I agree that half the intent is noble (trying to address and stymie abuse--of course the using the state part strikes me as less than noble) but like you I think this is completely unenforceable.
I think it could only be enforcable in the case of emotional abuse of children, and even that is difficult to prove. At least then there are physical and behavioral signs (failure to thrive, a child who is overly eager to please, etc) but even these could mean a number of different things. It seems like it would have to escalate into physical abuse before any legal action could be taken (and I use the term escalate loosely because we all know that emotional abuse can be just as devastating, if not more so, than physical abuse. I'm talking about both adults and children).
I think more of a social-communal approach would work better, honestly. Since no force is being exercised (unlike in the case of the state enforcing a law), there's not the same issue of evidence and procedural requirements when bringing to bear social pressures against abusers--letting people know that being an abusive asshole is not OK but without formally resorting to violence as a corrective.
Agreed.
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JennyB wrote:
eumaas wrote:
JennyB wrote:
eumaas wrote:I agree that half the intent is noble (trying to address and stymie abuse--of course the using the state part strikes me as less than noble) but like you I think this is completely unenforceable.
I think it could only be enforcable in the case of emotional abuse of children, and even that is difficult to prove. At least then there are physical and behavioral signs (failure to thrive, a child who is overly eager to please, etc) but even these could mean a number of different things. It seems like it would have to escalate into physical abuse before any legal action could be taken (and I use the term escalate loosely because we all know that emotional abuse can be just as devastating, if not more so, than physical abuse. I'm talking about both adults and children).
I think more of a social-communal approach would work better, honestly. Since no force is being exercised (unlike in the case of the state enforcing a law), there's not the same issue of evidence and procedural requirements when bringing to bear social pressures against abusers--letting people know that being an abusive asshole is not OK but without formally resorting to violence as a corrective.
Agreed.
Still problems with that because even the victims will hide abuse, unfortunately. I can't see any solution for that apart from some general cultural change.
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For people who deserve each other:

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Rat Patrol wrote:For people who deserve each other:

http://venturebeat.com/2015/04/06/judge ... -facebook/

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