Why did I marry you, you worthless whore?

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Why did I marry you, you worthless whore?

Post by eumaas » 08 Jan 2010, 6:32pm

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Post by Dr. Medulla » 08 Jan 2010, 6:52pm

I appreciate the intent—cruelty and abuse is debilitating whether it's physical or mental—but if France's legal profession is anything like America's, it's just inviting more and more inane arguments to test the statute's limits.
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Post by eumaas » 08 Jan 2010, 6:56pm

I agree that half the intent is noble (trying to address and stymie abuse--of course the using the state part strikes me as less than noble) but like you I think this is completely unenforceable.
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Post by JennyB » 08 Jan 2010, 9:36pm

eumaas wrote:I agree that half the intent is noble (trying to address and stymie abuse--of course the using the state part strikes me as less than noble) but like you I think this is completely unenforceable.
I think it could only be enforcable in the case of emotional abuse of children, and even that is difficult to prove. At least then there are physical and behavioral signs (failure to thrive, a child who is overly eager to please, etc) but even these could mean a number of different things. It seems like it would have to escalate into physical abuse before any legal action could be taken (and I use the term escalate loosely because we all know that emotional abuse can be just as devastating, if not more so, than physical abuse. I'm talking about both adults and children).
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Re: Why did I marry you, you worthless whore?

Post by eumaas » 08 Jan 2010, 9:39pm

JennyB wrote:
eumaas wrote:I agree that half the intent is noble (trying to address and stymie abuse--of course the using the state part strikes me as less than noble) but like you I think this is completely unenforceable.
I think it could only be enforcable in the case of emotional abuse of children, and even that is difficult to prove. At least then there are physical and behavioral signs (failure to thrive, a child who is overly eager to please, etc) but even these could mean a number of different things. It seems like it would have to escalate into physical abuse before any legal action could be taken (and I use the term escalate loosely because we all know that emotional abuse can be just as devastating, if not more so, than physical abuse. I'm talking about both adults and children).
I think more of a social-communal approach would work better, honestly. Since no force is being exercised (unlike in the case of the state enforcing a law), there's not the same issue of evidence and procedural requirements when bringing to bear social pressures against abusers--letting people know that being an abusive asshole is not OK but without formally resorting to violence as a corrective.
"The only thing that really occurs to me that I can say on this is to point out how fascinating it is that the Hassan-i-Sabbah archetype keeps turning up over and over again ... He disappears up into the mountains and is never seen again. Believe me, he'll never be seen again. He'll live forever because of that."

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Post by JennyB » 08 Jan 2010, 9:40pm

eumaas wrote:
JennyB wrote:
eumaas wrote:I agree that half the intent is noble (trying to address and stymie abuse--of course the using the state part strikes me as less than noble) but like you I think this is completely unenforceable.
I think it could only be enforcable in the case of emotional abuse of children, and even that is difficult to prove. At least then there are physical and behavioral signs (failure to thrive, a child who is overly eager to please, etc) but even these could mean a number of different things. It seems like it would have to escalate into physical abuse before any legal action could be taken (and I use the term escalate loosely because we all know that emotional abuse can be just as devastating, if not more so, than physical abuse. I'm talking about both adults and children).
I think more of a social-communal approach would work better, honestly. Since no force is being exercised (unlike in the case of the state enforcing a law), there's not the same issue of evidence and procedural requirements when bringing to bear social pressures against abusers--letting people know that being an abusive asshole is not OK but without formally resorting to violence as a corrective.
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Re: Why did I marry you, you worthless whore?

Post by eumaas » 08 Jan 2010, 9:43pm

JennyB wrote:
eumaas wrote:
JennyB wrote:
eumaas wrote:I agree that half the intent is noble (trying to address and stymie abuse--of course the using the state part strikes me as less than noble) but like you I think this is completely unenforceable.
I think it could only be enforcable in the case of emotional abuse of children, and even that is difficult to prove. At least then there are physical and behavioral signs (failure to thrive, a child who is overly eager to please, etc) but even these could mean a number of different things. It seems like it would have to escalate into physical abuse before any legal action could be taken (and I use the term escalate loosely because we all know that emotional abuse can be just as devastating, if not more so, than physical abuse. I'm talking about both adults and children).
I think more of a social-communal approach would work better, honestly. Since no force is being exercised (unlike in the case of the state enforcing a law), there's not the same issue of evidence and procedural requirements when bringing to bear social pressures against abusers--letting people know that being an abusive asshole is not OK but without formally resorting to violence as a corrective.
Agreed.
Still problems with that because even the victims will hide abuse, unfortunately. I can't see any solution for that apart from some general cultural change.
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Post by tepista » 07 Apr 2015, 12:38pm

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