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Re: Hey limeys

Post by Silent Majority » 05 Sep 2016, 6:28am

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Silent Majority wrote:I don't read much of the mainstream press, let alone the mainstream international press. Has there been any coverage for the incredible purge Labour did for the leadership election?

Here's what google brings up: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09 ... in-an-age/
A nice little death dance, with the winner getting the party name and machinery. It certainly belies the idea that New Labour is all about pragmatism.
Absolutely. They're locked into their very strong pro-establishment beliefs and are happy to work extremely hard against any meaningful difference in the UK's Overton window. To paraphrase the quote misattributed to Emma Goldman, voting would have changed something here and they made it illegal.
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Post by Rat Patrol » 05 Sep 2016, 6:57am

Silent Majority wrote:
Dr. Medulla wrote:
Silent Majority wrote:I don't read much of the mainstream press, let alone the mainstream international press. Has there been any coverage for the incredible purge Labour did for the leadership election?

Here's what google brings up: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09 ... in-an-age/
A nice little death dance, with the winner getting the party name and machinery. It certainly belies the idea that New Labour is all about pragmatism.
Absolutely. They're locked into their very strong pro-establishment beliefs and are happy to work extremely hard against any meaningful difference in the UK's Overton window. To paraphrase the quote misattributed to Emma Goldman, voting would have changed something here and they made it illegal.
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Re: Hey limeys

Post by eumaas » 22 Sep 2016, 11:46am

"The only thing that really occurs to me that I can say on this is to point out how fascinating it is that the Hassan-i-Sabbah archetype keeps turning up over and over again ... He disappears up into the mountains and is never seen again. Believe me, he'll never be seen again. He'll live forever because of that."

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Re: Hey limeys

Post by Dr. Medulla » 22 Sep 2016, 11:57am

If the West somehow survives this fascist spasm without actually going full-on and open authoritarian, twenty years from now there will be a lot of people in the media and politics who will have a hard time defending their rhetoric and actions. It'll be like the 1930s Nazi sympathizers and other xenophobes seeking to bury their politics after the war was over. The logic of fascism has become terrifyingly irresistible to those who are allegedly intelligent and well read. Absolute madness.
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Post by eumaas » 22 Sep 2016, 12:05pm

Dr. Medulla wrote:
If the West somehow survives this fascist spasm without actually going full-on and open authoritarian, twenty years from now there will be a lot of people in the media and politics who will have a hard time defending their rhetoric and actions. It'll be like the 1930s Nazi sympathizers and other xenophobes seeking to bury their politics after the war was over. The logic of fascism has become terrifyingly irresistible to those who are allegedly intelligent and well read. Absolute madness.
It's incredible that this is the hill they want to die on. They view the Labour Party as their property, there to express the class interests of the well-to-do upper middle. Why even the pretense of socialism and working class politics?

And yeah, you're right. This playing for the imaginary middle just enables reaction. You have to fight fascism with something more than milquetoast liberalism.
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Post by Rat Patrol » 23 Sep 2016, 12:44pm

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37447086

Huh...I did not know that the Greens candidate running for Dead Pig Head Fellator's vacated MP seat is none other than Bernie Sanders' own expat brother.
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Post by Dr. Medulla » 23 Sep 2016, 12:53pm

Rat Patrol wrote:http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37447086

Huh...I did not know that the Greens candidate running for Dead Pig Head Fellator's vacated MP seat is none other than Bernie Sanders' own expat brother.
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Post by Dr. Medulla » 24 Sep 2016, 9:30am

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/jeremy-cor ... -1.3777524

That the Blair subverters continue to be called centrists is a mockery of language and a sad comment on how skewed the spectrum has become in the past four decades. No wonder that anyone calling for stuff as mundane as a higher minimum wage is seen as Trotskyite.
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Post by Silent Majority » 24 Sep 2016, 11:08am

Dr. Medulla wrote:http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/jeremy-cor ... -1.3777524

That the Blair subverters continue to be called centrists is a mockery of language and a sad comment on how skewed the spectrum has become in the past four decades. No wonder that anyone calling for stuff as mundane as a higher minimum wage is seen as Trotskyite.
Funny to see the anageographic use of 'lawmaker' when talking about UK politics. The neoliberals will be back next year to shit in their own beds and challenge him again.
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Post by Silent Majority » 05 Oct 2016, 1:53am

Of course, the British state was founded and sustained by theft and murder. It's enjoyed centuries of reprehensible villainy. But just this year, I would say it has raced into cartoonish supervillainy.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 43551.html
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Post by Dr. Medulla » 05 Oct 2016, 6:27am

Silent Majority wrote:Of course, the British state was founded and sustained by theft and murder. It's enjoyed centuries of reprehensible villainy. But just this year, I would say it has raced into cartoonish supervillainy.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 43551.html
Awesome. Nice admission that soldiers end up acting like monsters when serving overseas. But they're our monsters.
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Re: Hey limeys

Post by Marky Dread » 07 Oct 2016, 1:11am

Corbyn's ex lover moving on up. Not a lady I like very much.
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Post by Silent Majority » 07 Oct 2016, 1:54pm

Marky Dread wrote:Corbyn's ex lover moving on up. Not a lady I like very much.
I've never found myself impressed by her when interviewed or on that unwatchable This Week program with Michael Portillo. Maybe she's very competent behind the scenes, I don't know.

Some liberal commenters are placing any criticism against her straight in the Racist Misogynist file which is easy, counterproductive and a bit dumb. You can object to a black woman without being a racist. I know that a lot of the awful abuse she gets comes from that, of course. I find that Kate Osamor is a much more charismatic, dynamic presence.
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Re: Hey limeys

Post by Marky Dread » 07 Oct 2016, 8:40pm

Silent Majority wrote:
Marky Dread wrote:Corbyn's ex lover moving on up. Not a lady I like very much.
I've never found myself impressed by her when interviewed or on that unwatchable This Week program with Michael Portillo. Maybe she's very competent behind the scenes, I don't know.

Some liberal commenters are placing any criticism against her straight in the Racist Misogynist file which is easy, counterproductive and a bit dumb. You can object to a black woman without being a racist. I know that a lot of the awful abuse she gets comes from that, of course. I find that Kate Osamor is a much more charismatic, dynamic presence.
I agree Kate Osamor is way more charismatic. Abbot is prone to making very stupid comments at times and tends to only apologise when she is forced into it. I also find her extremely overbearing when listening to her as she constantly tries to turn every issue into something about black people.
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Re: Hey limeys

Post by Dr. Medulla » 02 Nov 2016, 5:14pm

Ha, no surprise, really, that Morrissey was/is pro-Brexit/Farage. Such a sweet and tender bigoted moron. And once again, Johnny Marr comes out as the better one of the Smiths.
http://www.nme.com/news/music/johnny-ma ... ts-1814488
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